Wow. Thought the jet market might be a little soft right now. That's a LOT more than I paid for my '57 last fall...
1956 Duo-Jet on the 'bay
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Sep 26, 2008 7:37 p.m. riz:
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Sep 27, 2008 8:10 a.m. Walter Broes:
57 Chet said: Actually those are "Grover Statite Butterbean" tuners on my 6120. "Butterbean" refers to the shape of the button. Grover Statite tuners came in both "Oval" and "Butterbean".
I really think (I'm pretty sure, actually..I am pretty sure that the tuners on my 6121 are Grover and not Waverley. I could be wrong though. Jay Scott refers to them as "oval-button Grover statite tuners" on page 67 of his book.
)those tuners on your 6121 àre Waverleys, not Grovers. There were roundbutton open-gear Grovers too, but they came with a different plate.
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Sep 27, 2008 2:45 p.m. 57 Chet :
Walter Broes - Of course, I could be wrong!
However, In the past, I've seen a number of similar "Grover" ebay listings as the one below ... I've met this particular seller and found him to be very knowledgeable ...
ebay link - Vintage Grover tuners
BTW - Check out the guitars made by that Mark Campellone fellow, who is mentioned in the ebay listing. Sweet!
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Sep 29, 2008 10:14 a.m. afire:
Walter is right about them being Waverly tuners, not Grovers. If they were Grovers, they'd be marked Grover, like all other Grovers. You do see them referred to as Grovers, but almost exclusively among Gretsch people, and I can only attribute that to the mistake in the Jay Scott book. They were used on a lot of other guitars, Harmony/Kay/Silvertone, Martins, and many others. To the rest of the guitar world, they are correctly identified as Waverly tuners.
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Sep 29, 2008 10:18 a.m. afire:
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Sep 29, 2008 10:37 a.m. Walter Broes:
A lot of confusion is also caused by the fact that the current Grover company has some tuners that look a lot like these waverly's, and the current Waverly company is known for its high quality Grover Statite repro's......
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Sep 29, 2008 2:55 p.m. Jim Selvaggio:
Fun post.
"A lot of confusion is also caused by the fact that the current Grover company has some tuners that look a lot like these waverly's, and the current Waverly company is known for its high quality Grover Statite repro's......"
Well said Walter.
To further confuse things, both companies (as well as a third, Kluson)sold a 'Sta- Tite' tuner..
I would call the tuners on the EBAY Jet "Grover's with 'Butterfly' shaped tuners". IMO, 'Butterfly' fits better than 'butterbean' :) as if you look closely they are quite beautiful- almost art deco- like the wing of a butterfly.
They tend to show up a lot as original issue on 57 6131s. One of my '57's has them (it also appears from pics that Duane's 57 6120 has them also).
Bo Diddley's 6131 had this type of Grover tuner on it. (check the covers of "Go" and "Bo Diddley"
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Sep 29, 2008 3:58 p.m. KCeddieB:
I'm still confused...
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Sep 29, 2008 6:43 p.m. 57 Chet :
Well, I have seen them being sold as Grovers on ebay a number of times and with the Jay Scott references I was pretty convinced that I was right. Now I concede that I am probably wrong.
I searched the web for vintage Waverly tuners and found this link. Not identical tuners, but the plate is.
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Sep 29, 2008 6:50 p.m. Jim Selvaggio:
Thanks '57- thats a great site. One up on finding that one!
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Sep 29, 2008 8:11 p.m. afire:
Cool site for an education in vintage tuners. And for comparison, here's what a set of early oval button Grovers look like:
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