Miscellaneous Rumbles

There Oughta Be A Law!

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Crowbone: Not rare. Limited, which increases both demand and price.

From a marketing perspective, many Gretsch players have quite a few, and who "needs" another black Jet? But a harder to find limited color may be just the thing that a Gretsch guy "has to have".

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Great, it's 20 min. after midnight and I'm dying for a steak. Subliminal advertising brought to me via the GDP!

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"Rare" isn't always a good thing, like a rare outbreak of cholera.

– wabash slim

Montazuma's Revenge affecting tourists to Mexico seems to be rare-r these days. 3 or 4 decades ago, rare was used to describe the very few folks who didn't contract it!

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The word rare cannot be used on its own to describe a guitar, it needs context.

Gretsch guitars are rare where I live; as far as I know I have the only examples in our village. But does that make my guitars rare? Of course not, but in this context they are.

“Rarely seen for sale”? That qualifies. “Rarely seen in this condition”? Ditto. But the word ‘rare’ in and of itself means nothing.

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Context. Excellent summary of the concept I was thrashing around to describe and illustrate. Thanks, Deke.

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It's obviously context specific. I use it. I have vintage Gruen watches that may be one-of-a-kind, or may be one of dozens, or even hundreds. Nobody knows. There are no records, and survival rates for watches, particularly ones with solid gold cases that can be scrapped for cash, have a fairly low survival rate to begin with. All I know is in 20 years of hunting, I've never seen others, and no other collectors I know have either. That's enough for me to use the term rare. And there are models from other brands that are known to have been produced in the low thousands that collectors consider to be rare. Again, the low survival rate has something to do with that. They also disappear into collections and don't frequently turn over the way guitars do.

My '59 Gent on the other hand, while one of maybe a few hundred with the same '59-'60 specs, I would have a hard time characterizing as particularly rare. While the numbers were relatively low, people didn't throw them in the garbage or melt them or forget about them when they tucked them in the back of the sock drawer after breaking a string. And there are always a couple for available for sale at any given moment.

Justice Potter Stewart said it best. "I know it when I see it."

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There ought to be a law declaring that I am the ultimate authority on who gets a driver's license and who should be banned from the road completely. Let's start there.

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The word rare cannot be used on its own to describe a guitar, it needs context.

Gretsch guitars are rare where I live; as far as I know I have the only examples in our village. But does that make my guitars rare? Of course not, but in this context they are.

“Rarely seen for sale”? That qualifies. “Rarely seen in this condition”? Ditto. But the word ‘rare’ in and of itself means nothing.

– Deke Martin

That’s a well thought out and concise summary, Deke. Well said. Wish I had included context in my response. Brings it all together.

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There oughta be a law banning plastic clamshell packaging for products. I can't begin to tell you how many times I have slit my finger on the sharp plastic trying to get them open.

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Crowbone: Not rare. Limited, which increases both demand and price.

From a marketing perspective, many Gretsch players have quite a few, and who "needs" another black Jet? But a harder to find limited color may be just the thing that a Gretsch guy "has to have".

– gretschman36

The very first Duo Jet I played was a Caddy Green one. I bonded with it immediately but I didn't buy it because I wanted a black one.

Now that my 6128T-DSV Duo Jet is discontinued could it possibly become a rare guitar in 25 years?

I would consider the original 1961 Casino to be a rare guitar. According to Epiphone only 176 Casinos with a trapeze tailpiece and 153 Casinos with Tremotone vibrato were made. In 2011 Epiphone made 1,961 reissues. While that doesn't sound rare I have noticed there are not very many being sold on the used market anymore.

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There oughta be a law banning plastic clamshell packaging for products. I can't begin to tell you how many times I have slit my finger on the sharp plastic trying to get them open.

– Ric12string

Ha! My friend bought a devise to make opening clamshell packaging easy, the devise came in clamshell packaging. I use a K-Bar.

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Clamshell packaging was developed for a good reason---thieves. Now, if they could find some way to defeat porch pirates.

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There ought to be a law declaring that I am the ultimate authority on who gets a driver's license and who should be banned from the road completely. Let's start there.

– Zigracer

Capital suggestion! You handle the US and I'll take care of Canada. I'll enjoy being the most hated person in the country.....next to Trudeau.

40

I have a rare HiLoTron Clipper.

Really. It's rare and one-of-a-kind.

What? You don't believe me?

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Aside from the "rarity" of guitars being sold, what other laws about common everyday life need to be?

– Ric12string

Remove the "do not call list" carve-out exemption for politicians and political groups. Making "laws for thee but not for me" is total BS no matter where you live. If you wish to receive political robo-calls, it should be on a strictly opt-in basis, not the other way around.

What's more, violators of "do not call" and telephone privacy laws should have to sit in isolation and listen to a the most annoying phone ring-tone possible for 72 hours straight-- or better yet, they should be required to sit through two weeks worth of time-share and insurance sales seminars... in addition to the normal civil money penalties and fines.

And last but not least.... Hey you Kids!!! GET OFF OF MY LAWN!!

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I have a rare HiLoTron Clipper.

Really. It's rare and one-of-a-kind.

What? You don't believe me?

– lx

And it's a steal at only $5K, right?

Actually, I just played one of those last week. Good cheap jazzbox but the this one was reduced to $1500 from $1900! It's the one Craig reported seeing. Battle scars to be sure but not worth over a grand on a good day.

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And it's a steal at only $5K, right?

Actually, I just played one of those last week. Good cheap jazzbox but the this one was reduced to $1500 from $1900! It's the one Craig reported seeing. Battle scars to be sure but not worth over a grand on a good day.

– Windsordave

Hmm, I'll have to think about the $5K.

It really is the rarest HiLotron Clipper ever. And it comes with it's original -- and rare -- hardshell case. Upon examining it, Ed will do a whole write-up on it for Vintage Guitar, and even devote a page in his next book describing it's unique -- and rare! -- features. And just think, you're the owner! Oh, the glory! The sudden interest in these little gems causes a buzz in the vintage guitar crowd and soon, unmolested HiLo Clippers begin to rise in price.

Brian Setzer will get one and put in a Setzer sig, Bigsby and flames, and declare it the coolest find since his '59 6120. Taylor Swift will begin to use one onstage. Randy Bachman will envy you. Fred and Dinah, and Joe will be calling to see this unique bit of Gretsch history. Stern will be studiously taking photos and measurements to release a limited run of 59 Custom Shop versions of this utterly rare, unique and one-of-a-kind '59 Clipper (but the tuners will be not quite right...), priced at a very affordable $2K (it is after all, just a Clipper). Custom Shop relics and mods will abound. We will all await the rise of ... the White Falcon Clipper (available in the color of your choice).

It'll be a cheap investment as it will no doubt continue to rise in value and prominence in the world of vintage Gretsch devotees.

So, uh, could you make that $10K?

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Any company that says, "Your call is important to us so please stay on the line," should be shut down and its management prosecuted.

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I have had many chats over the years with "Oriental" Rug dealers. Apparently, "Liar's Poker" is a prerequisite...

Before leaving Charleston, I had the big rug cleaned by a nice family outfit. We bantered in jest back and forth about "rare" and "unique" and "provenance".

He had an interesting way to look at life. His valuation analysis was based on where he could get the same quality and difficulty woven today brand new. No other want or variable.

Sounds like factories moving to?

Cars, Electronics, Furniture?

I guess there is no "rare" if you don't "care".

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The "rare" thing reminds me of something.

My wife wanted me to get rid of my 1979 Fender Twin (135 watts). It was just taking up space and my days of playing out are long behind me. Rather than put it on Craigslist and go thru the hassle of having people come over, I just took it to the local Guitar Center knowing that i was going to lose money on the deal. But it was worth it to me to keep the peace at home.

The GC guy filled out a title of sorts and wanted me to sign it. For the description, he put "vintage." I said, "I'm not signing that. I'm not representing that it's vintage." He said, essentially, "It's just a subjective thing. It doesn't really mean anything. Man, people are all over old Fender gear."

I was already taking a bath on it, i didn't need to be sued down the line for consumer fraud too. So I told him that i'd pass and sell it privately. He talked to someone and said that he'd print me out a new doc for me to sign that didn't say "vintage."

Who knows, maybe he added it after I left.

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There oughta be a law banning plastic clamshell packaging for products. I can't begin to tell you how many times I have slit my finger on the sharp plastic trying to get them open.

– Ric12string

I thought you played guitar?

Build up those callouses, man!

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There oughta be a law banning plastic clamshell packaging for products. I can't begin to tell you how many times I have slit my finger on the sharp plastic trying to get them open.

– Ric12string

I bought a tool for opening these clam shell packaged items. It came in a clam shell pack. I never opened it.

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I bought a tool for opening these clam shell packaged items. It came in a clam shell pack. I never opened it.

– Bob Howard
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I thought you played guitar?

Build up those callouses, man!

– crowbone

Crowbone I see is in rare form.


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