Look out Revolution Number 9, it looks like the Fab Four were a bit more into the experimental music than you, and at 14 minutes, this is an epic.
New Beatles song "Carnival of Light"
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Nov 17, 2008 6:40 a.m. crowbone:
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Nov 17, 2008 3:39 p.m. crowbone:
bump for b boys
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Nov 17, 2008 4:38 p.m. marctrain57:
As much as I love the Beatles, every drug induced piece of tape does not necessarily need to be released. Anthology was interesting and parts of it were amazing. But for the most part the highly polished recorded material that made it to vinyl between 1962-1970 is there because it was good stuff.
What i would really like to see is the albums rereleased in the best quality format they can produce now. The rerelease of material on Let it Be... (Naked), Yellow Submarine and Love proves that there can still be substantial sonic gains made out of these masters. The Rolling Stones rereleased much of their stuff in the SACD format to excellent results. I'm not necessarily endorsing SACD as even the above re released Beatle material is a sonic improvement over the original '80's releases on CD format. My point being there are improvements to be made that are more important than this proposed release.
Or at least give in and put it on iTunes Paul.
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Nov 17, 2008 5:54 p.m. Beatles6120:
I have an album of The Beatles farting.
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Nov 17, 2008 5:54 p.m. wenzel:
I'm interested in hearing it, but I am not expecting a masterpiece. The reason is that Sgt. Pepper did some pretty weird things and if this is too weird to release then it means that it's probably not that good. I'd be willing to guess that George Martin didn't think it was good enough or not commercial enough, that being the point. Either way, I want to at least hear it to get it out of my system.
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Nov 17, 2008 6:32 p.m. Ric12string:
I was very happy with it not being in my system before I read about it in this morning's paper. If I try hard enough, I think that I can lose it from my system and, therefore, have no need, nor desire, to hear it. I fully anticipate that it would be absolute nonsense, and would provide me musical pleasure on a par with some of Yoko Ono's recordings.
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Nov 17, 2008 7:38 p.m. FrequentFlyer909:
Paul's always felt like he got the fuzzy end of the avant-garde lollipop: he was doing weird stuff while John was married-with-kid, back when being associated with that sort of thing was more about hanging out with the art-hipster crowd than with pop musicians. Of course, he didn't get much validation or attention for his forwardly-creative efforts (despite the "Tomorrow Never Knows" tape loops, the Carnival of Light piece, the Magical Mystery Tour film, and the Sgt. Pepper concept), so he went 180 degrees opposite... and then weirdness became the mark of rock creativity.
So now I guess he's dusting off the Carnival of Light piece to establish his avant-gardedness retrospectively... for better and worse, I'm sure.
I've been hearing about it for a forever and a half, so it'll be good to get it over with, finally.
Let's hope it's a fun flavor of weird.
Paul/FF909
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Nov 17, 2008 7:53 p.m. Timthom62:
I forget who was being interviewed, it may have even been George Martin, but when asked about "Carnival of Light" the response was "Bucket of Tripe". Apparently Paul's Brennel tape machines and his fascination with Stockhausen didn't impress everyone back then.
Still probably better than "Mr. Moonlight" though...
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Nov 17, 2008 7:53 p.m. AJ:
marctrain57 said: What i would really like to see is the albums rereleased in the best quality format they can produce now.
I believe they already did this; it's called a vinyl record ;-)
I'm not implying that CDs are bad or necessarily inferior, just that I think the recordings, mixing and mastering of Beatles recordings were originally done for vinyl release. Just because modern methods can get more sonic information from the original tapes does not mean you will have a "better" listening experience. When I listen to the Beatles it is as much a nostalgia experience as a music experience; there is something more than just the sound and that is something I wouldn't want "fixed". -
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Nov 17, 2008 8:33 p.m. Proteus:
If you play it forward, will Paul be alive?
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Nov 17, 2008 8:38 p.m. marctrain57:
AJ, the vinyl vs CD debate is even more intense than the poly vs lacquer.
What I was looking for was the dynamic range available on today's recordings. Since there is little possibility that any artist today is going to record anything worth listening to can only to look for remasters of the greats.
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Nov 17, 2008 8:45 p.m. Spartanman:
Maybe it's really good and that's why he's trying to release it after the divorce.
Just a thought
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Nov 17, 2008 8:54 p.m. Rex:
Thats great Pro! I'd completely forgotten about that.
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Nov 17, 2008 9:11 p.m. wenzel:
Proteus, John said cranberry sauce, not I burried Paul! I think if you play it forward it'll say I made a rasberry cake or something like that...
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Nov 17, 2008 9:29 p.m. dubkitty:
normally i could give the proverbial rat's ass about Beatles ephemera...it was somewhere around the sixth or seventh disc of "Let It Be" outtakes that i said "if it wasn't released, i don't care." (or maybe it was around disc 5 of the Anthology series.) but i would expect that Paul's innate sense of musical structure and organization, and his understanding of modern art, would make his take on musique concrete far more interesting than John's art brut. but then, i actually like musique concrete. in fact, i like tape collages more than 95% of music in current release.
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Nov 17, 2008 9:42 p.m. Beatles6120:
Revolution 9 ring a bell?
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Nov 17, 2008 9:57 p.m. FrequentFlyer909:
Well, Mitch, we'll see (and hear). The Carnival of Light piece was recorded (or assembled) two years before "Revolution 9" (of which George Martin was also none too fond).
I've always liked the sonic madness of the "Tomorrow Never Knows" tape loops, so I've got a little hope wedged in here... hoping COL more resembles that than the woofing "Barber of Seville" silliness.
Paul/FF909
Contrary Opinion Postscript: The arrangement was puzzlingly cheesy, but "Mr. Moonlight" had an amazing lead vocal.
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Nov 17, 2008 10:04 p.m. crowbone:
You know, it might just sound like "Safety Dance", or it may be a precursor to "Ebony and Ivory" - Pure Evil.
Crazy Paulie.
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Nov 17, 2008 10:18 p.m. Proteus:
Ya know ya know...sometimes a bit of music occurs to a writer, some ditty that has nothing to do with his "main area of expertise," or unlike anything he's known for, possibly something he doesn't even LIKE himself.
But since it seems to have occurred to HIM, and possibly no one else, he takes it as his duty to render it.
The Beatles had sufficiently wide influences and experience that they often wrote and recorded things that weren't necessarily "Beatlesque" in the established scheme of things.
That's all perfectly OK, I think.
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Nov 17, 2008 10:24 p.m. wenzel:
Turn me on dead man...
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Nov 17, 2008 10:32 p.m. Beatles6120:
FrequentFlyer909 said: Contrary Opinion Postscript: The arrangement was puzzlingly cheesy, but "Mr. Moonlight" had an amazing lead vocal.
I always liked "Mr.Moonlight" it seems to go with "Baby's In Black"
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Nov 18, 2008 12:38 a.m. Ric12string:
Just imagine what John Lennon would have said today when he learned that Paul wanted to release Carnival of Light. He undoubtedly would have zeroed in on the truth of it...that it was just another example of Paul trying to establish his bona fide in something that wasn't really him. In other words, trying to put on airs, or doing something to burnish his image a bit with the public. John would most likely call it truthfully and say that the recording really offers nothing at all and that it was a stupid stunt that Paul talked him and the others into doing.
FF909 said: The arrangement was puzzlingly cheesy, but "Mr. Moonlight" had an amazing lead vocal.
I couldn't agree with you more. +1 for that salient observation.
