Pickups

NEW TV Jones Filtertrons - “most accurate Filtertron ever” ???

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Not sure just what to make of these. I am quite happy with my TV Classics and other TV Jones pickups. But, I would be curious to hear these.

Also, important in that article was the mention of a TV Jones Custom Shop. I hadn't heard mention of this before. I will have to inquire about this a bit more at the upcoming NAMM Show.

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There were a few threads a while back stating that while we all loved Tom's pickups they didn't quite sound like the vintage units. Lotsa talk about old vs. new wood etc. I thought the Setzer specials were supposed to be closer to the originals but it looks like Tom has got even more ideas; maybe the competition and his research in Ray Butts' original notes is what this new line is all about. I didn't want to hack up my '58 Streamliner but I may have to rethink that....

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I wonder if these with have a vintage style base plate, like on the 50s/60s filtertrons.

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Intriguing quote from Tom:

“In Ray’s era, factory made guitar pickups were not wax saturated as they are now. These pickups will not be saturated in order to remain absolutely historically correct,” said Jones. “I notice a more three-dimensional, open-air quality to the tone of a pickup that is not saturated in wax. Microphonic feedback is not a big issue with this design. To be clear though - I do find waxing necessary for higher-gain, ‘squeal-less’ applications.”

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Always nice to see Tom expand his offerings of various versions of Filters.

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Intriguing quote from Tom:

“In Ray’s era, factory made guitar pickups were not wax saturated as they are now. These pickups will not be saturated in order to remain absolutely historically correct,” said Jones. “I notice a more three-dimensional, open-air quality to the tone of a pickup that is not saturated in wax. Microphonic feedback is not a big issue with this design. To be clear though - I do find waxing necessary for higher-gain, ‘squeal-less’ applications.”

– redrocker

I've always felt the same. It's sort of like having a magnetic pickup mixed with a microphone. I used to have a Teisco that you could sing into the pickup and actually hear it out the amp.

Not long ago I readjusted the poll pieces on a TVJ classic bridge back to factory specs. The specs are in number of turns from all the way down. When I tightened the poles I was surprised how much fax squeezed out.

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I've never had the opportunity to compare a vintage Filter'tron with a TV Classic in the same kind of guitar. But I do remember when I first heard a TV Classic in a Setzer 6120 (mine!) and it really sounded how I remember my old 60s 6120s sounding, except with the better sustain and low end of the '50s style guitar.

While I think it's great that people like TV Jones continue to try to make a better, more authentic pickup I am completely happy with the Classics in my SSLVO. Maybe in a new guitar I would try a newer. more authentic TV Jones Pickup. He is a class act that Tom.

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I love the TV Classics in my G6121-1959 RI. My 6118-120 with the same pickups could use some more sparkle and 3D sound now and then, especially when played clean. It makes a great rock guitar though.

But when I recently tried the '58 Country Club I couldn't believe what I heard. Despite the CC sounding rather small unplugged (due to the heavy trestles) it sounded warm, big, bright, articulated and balanced at the same time. I blame the PAF Filtertrons that I still have a pair of in my sheltered parts box. A perfect TV Jones replica of the original Filtertron should be a wonderful thing.

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wow, good for him-I hope they do great! Anyone notice the abundance of Filtertron aftermarket pickups out there now? Gretsch and TV's popularity in recent years must've spawned a market for them. Nearly all the name pickup makers now are making some version of the FT.

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The classics in my 6120 already squeal if the amp is too loud (though not as readily as the P90s in my Casino). Give me more wax, not less.

I'm glad the cork sniffers have something to keep them spending money.

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Got to agree there Otter, I always have to chuckle a little at the "you kill a pickup if you pot it!". Outside of my house or the studio, a truly microphonic pickup is really not of all that much use to me. Nobody likes things that squeal on stage.

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The classics in my 6120 already squeal if the amp is too loud (though not as readily as the P90s in my Casino). Give me more wax, not less.

I'm glad the cork sniffers have something to keep them spending money.

– Otter

Just call me "Corky" then.

I'm glad there are lots of choices out there, for one. I noticed that DeLilse makes a filtertron (our own Mugsy), as does McNelly in Canada.

I did wax pot my Franz pickups as my vintage CE100D was a bit of a squealer, but I've never had a problem with howling filtertrons-- I guess I don't play loud enough.

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wow, good for him-I hope they do great! Anyone notice the abundance of Filtertron aftermarket pickups out there now? Gretsch and TV's popularity in recent years must've spawned a market for them. Nearly all the name pickup makers now are making some version of the FT.

– Mark StJohn

Now what we need are some more Filtetron-SIZED pickup models.... while the TA and T90 are great, it would be cool to get other builders in on the game, besides Gretches, there are alot of Cabronitas out there...

Filtertron-sized Charlie Christians... Filtetron-sized WRHBs....

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my 2 cents to cracks about marketing

When Tom first starting doing these, he was working at World of Strings in Long Beach, and it was Rich Monica that asked him if he was interested in being part of a blind pool contest to see which reproduction of Setzer's original pickups Setzer would pick. Setzer chose Tom Jone's pickups hands down and they became the replacement pickup of choice for Brian Setzer. Fate also dealt a great card for Tom at that time w Gretsch as Fred Gretsch III was trying to rebuild his family company. Bamm production on a massive scale.. I started my pedal building obsession 9 yrs ago barely knowing what I was doing, and available data a decade ago isn't what it is today. This coupled w a never ending passion to refine and grow is at the heart of this. It clearly presented here w these new pickup reproductions by Tom.

Over time Brian's approach changed on his guitars, he dropped from 2 Blonde bassman amps on stage to one, and Rich Monica changed up the tubes, the speakers, yada yada..

and Brian was also dealing w Tinnitus.. He started wearing in ear filters, lowered his stage volume and so this also probably meant he wanted more from the guitar.. Tom went back to the drawing board, did more research as date has become WAY more available than freakin 99' and voila.. Setzer Signature pickups were on his guitars and available to the public....

These pickups now, don't have a dang thing to do w Brian Setzer though..

Rather they are about the legacy of Ray Butts and his Daughter Katha who is pushing to make sure he is remembered, her involvement w CAAS and working w a young gentleman to get the echo sonic https://www.facebook.com/gr...

amp back in the fray, now asking Tom to make this happen.. these pickups, they go way back.. Take a look at Deke Dickerson blog about the Granstom tele and the Ray Butts intersect w PA Bigsby. http://gretschpages.com/for...

I hope these get out to those that love vintage authentic gear. It makes our ears and hearts happy For what its worth, I have TK Smith bigsby pickups in my telecaster and theres no dipping here.. just authentic done better. Here's unposted TK Smith report bigsby pickups in my Smith Tele going into the blonde 50 watt amp, 212 cab, mystery brain AND STRYMON RIVERSIDE fully saturated.. It held together pretty good considering its intended use, unlike what I just did to it here.

https://www.instagram.com/p...

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Cool history lesson Tavo! I love that stuff!!

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What's wrong with marketing ? Anyone that sells something has to do it Every business needs new products to sell and keep their customer's interest. I believe it's what a lot of western society is based upon. It was my understanding that the TV classics were the faithful reproductions of the originals. But the recent Brian Setzer's were too. And now these versions are. I think it's pretty clever and no doubt there are also many variations to the old pickups. Bravo!

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You know, if you think about it, "faithful/authentic recreations of PAFs"... would be all over the map. Not all PAFs were created equal- some sucked. Depends on which PAF you're "cloning". So "most authentic Filtertron" is just another take on the formula, and that's cool... some people like Classics better than Setzers, and good that both are available. These will be yet another "flavor"- albeit a SLIGHTLY different flavor- not like Powertrons or Magnatrons, etc- for people to dig.

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I wonder if they are wax potted?

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I wonder if they are wax potted?

– guitarcapo

TVs new version? C'mon. Why not just read a few lines? The link in post #1 maybe or simply post #6. It's that easy.

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I never really cared for TV's Classics that came standard in my 6120DC, but I would love to hear these new ones.

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Just something new for people to drop their cash on. God bless TV Jones...he certainly does give people what they want.


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