Pickups

*New* DeArmond Dynasonic Pickups

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I have not heard these pu's yet, so I won't pass judgement. What does bother me is that Guild/Cordoba has chosen to put them in an oddball semi-hollow / stop tailpiece version of a Starfire. I don't understand why they didn't put them in the current Newark Street version of the Starfire III, which is a relatively faithful version of the original with a fully hollow body, floating bridge and Guildsby or Guild Harp tailpiece on the Starfire II. The folks over at Cordoba need to get some input from some real Guild people.

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It's just a shame that the people who bought Guild don't care about it nearly as much as as the New Hartford people.

– Mr. Astro Jet

New Hartford never made a model with Dynas. FMIC didn’t offer it. I like the new guys are trying.

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Well...that's very dissappointing. The people who own the DeArmond brand have released a cheap Asian made copy of a not-so-great recent pickup that was kind of inspired by a bona fide proven classic.

Lame

– WB

I double dog dare ya to buy one and open it up for us! I'm all for this, cant be what they say it is for this price.

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Thanks for the review BR; I might get one for the bridge position in my Annie.I'm assuming these aren't too noisy since the output is relatively tame. I found the MIA DA 2000 to be quiet for a single coil.

One question: Is the diameter of the magnet slugs the same or larger than the Fender made DA 2000?

– Journeyman

They are pretty quiet, and output is decent, but it won't match something like a Seymour Duncan Dyna.

Slug diameter on the new pickup is 0.254", sorry I don't have a MIA DA 2000 around to measure anymore.

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I see that Sweetwater is discounting their SF-II and SF-IIIs, the versions with LB-1s. Given there are gold/black, nickel/black, and nickel/white Dynas out in the wild (well, kinda sorta) suggest these current models are being revamped with these pickups. Hell, I'll sell my SF-V and take my MIA Guildsby B6 with me to a new SF-III if they, in fact, do this thing.

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Years ago there was a local shop in NE section of Philly, Howard Herbert Music that had been a Guild dealer. The owner, the late Mr. Herbert was a really good old school chord melody player (and a very nice man) showed me one his personal guitars, a 60's vintage Guild Starfire III in Cadillac Green w/ two DeArmonds and a Melita bridge (he said he the guitar was a custom order and actually had his name on the truss rod cover if I remember correctly) and it played and sounded great. Hopefully, the folks at Guild will give us a fully hollow Newark Street Starfire III w/ the DeArmonds and Guildsby sooner than later.

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Hey Folks,

Just thought that I'd weigh in on this thread, and offer some information that I discovered. I was looking for a set of these to install in my G5435TG Pro Jet, to see if I can get close to that holy grail DeArmond/Duo Jet combination of the late 50's.

I was lucky enough to find a source where you should have no problems with availability, and will gladly share this information here. Unfortunately, it does me no good whatsoever, as I'm in Canada, and they won't ship outside of the USA. So, my southern brethren, you can hopefully benefit from my leg work, and be able to order a set, if you are looking to do so.

Here's the link: https://shop.guildguitars.c...

Price is $80 for the Nickel/White, and Nickel/Black versions, and $85 for the Gold/Black versions (which I need for my Black Pro Jet). As there is free shipping on orders over $150, from the Guild Store, this equates to a remarkable deal, if these pickups are able to come anywhere near close to what the original Dynasonics sounded like.

Cheers, and now I need to see if I can find a dealer in Canada who will order me a set - with the obligatory huge markup, no doubt.....

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the name issue is unfortunate, but if these are indeed similar to the D'A 2000s i have in the Special Jet they should be quite good. i like the 2000s a lot in the 5259; there's something about them that i like compared to Tokiwa Dynas, but i can't quantify it.

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New Hartford never made a model with Dynas. FMIC didn’t offer it. I like the new guys are trying.

– Charlie Vegas

Not good enough. They own the damn DeArmond name, a company with quite the legacy. As I said before, it's close to ridiculous they're calling it a Dynasonic - Dynasonic is vintage Gretsch catalog speak, not a term the DeArmond company ever used. Pretty painful IMO, for the Guild/DeArmond owners.

Second, it's a reissue of a 90's pickup that everyone agrees is kind of a Diet DeArmond. I think it's really disappointing, and a sign they don't have a specialist in-house who knows his stuff, or more likely, they plain don't care and are doing what they can make the most profit on. Super lame IMO.

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the name issue is unfortunate, but if these are indeed similar to the D'A 2000s i have in the Special Jet they should be quite good. i like the 2000s a lot in the 5259; there's something about them that i like compared to Tokiwa Dynas, but i can't quantify it.

– macphisto

I owned a Special Jet, and they were great in that guitar. These new pickups (I'll just call them 'pickups' ) are an improvement to DA 2000s to my ears. The new neck pickup is a little brighter, as the DA 2000 neck didn't sparkle as much-- a little more Stratty. The bridge is beefier sounding, not as thin as the Special Jet, and I did have them both set up the same way (pickup top 1 to 2 nickels' distance from strings, slugs flush with the top. The extra bit of winding does seem to make a difference here.

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I double dog dare ya to buy one and open it up for us! I'm all for this, cant be what they say it is for this price.

– TheNocturneBrain

Whaddya want to know? Full disclosure: I'm the one who sold the set to Borderradio. First thing I did was take one apart. Recently, looking over some history and good photos, the "new" Dynasonics are essentially, new production of the old 2000s, same tooling, from the same manufacturer. I don't have any sets of the old 2000s to take measurements from to see if the new ones have a slightly tweaked wind for neck and bridge, but the one I took apart has the same guts. I have voiced concerns and given pah-lenty of unsolicited advice to Cordoba/Guild from about the first couple weeks after they bought the brand. To say they are moving slowly, or smartly with the Dearmond brand would be fairly charitable. In my opinion they should have named this new issue of the Dynas, the "2020" or something, and marketed them as an update, or even reissue of the 2000, but certainly not a reissue of the original.

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I had no idea about this thread BorderRadio created but all things discussed therein mirrors what I have currently been curious about. The reason is I am looking for "sparkly Dynas" to install in an LP-type guitar.

A few months ago, I became aware of that new good-looking Guild X-175 Manhattan Special. Still intrigued about installing Dynas in solid chunk of wood, the Guild Starfire II was intriguing as I like the hybrid centerblock semi-hollow design.

So my research began a few days ago as I was wondering if there is a universal Dynasonic that is a market constant......very much mirroring Proteus' thought above: "it's a shame there's no trade nomenclature to denote a pickup with the original FidelaTone design - ie, magnetized polepieces with the spring-loaded elevators. I've had experience with all the above pickups (except the new ones), and I like them all. But they do NOT sound the same, and I much prefer the original design."

After seeing the output of the new DA Cordoba owned Dynas, I very much wondered if these are just really DA 2000s. I love my 5126 but want something brighter in a solid body.

My search took me too many sites and brands..... Fralin Dynasonics (which describes them as 2 products: "Hum-Cancelling P90 and our new Alnico Rod P90 and gave them sexy DynaSonic looks." The output: P90 Neck: 15.5K.; P90 Bridge: 16.7K. --- Alnico Rod Neck: 8.5K. and 10K on the bridge.

Gretsch Dynasonic pickups advertised on Sweetwater that do not have any specs but appear to be the same as what is on the Guild models.

These: http://customshop.seymourdu.... The site describes them and I get the feeling they are like the old Dynas (if I really ever knew what they were anyway)

I have a 5126 and know what they can do, how my amp can expand the highs, but feel they are a little too "tame" for the LP body I am looking to install. "hot" P90s are not the answer and a different beast. Those SD Dynas seem pretty good but am also intrigued about the T-Armonds........what are your thoughts?

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I had no idea about this thread BorderRadio created but all things discussed therein mirrors what I have currently been curious about. The reason is I am looking for "sparkly Dynas" to install in an LP-type guitar.

A few months ago, I became aware of that new good-looking Guild X-175 Manhattan Special. Still intrigued about installing Dynas in solid chunk of wood, the Guild Starfire II was intriguing as I like the hybrid centerblock semi-hollow design.

So my research began a few days ago as I was wondering if there is a universal Dynasonic that is a market constant......very much mirroring Proteus' thought above: "it's a shame there's no trade nomenclature to denote a pickup with the original FidelaTone design - ie, magnetized polepieces with the spring-loaded elevators. I've had experience with all the above pickups (except the new ones), and I like them all. But they do NOT sound the same, and I much prefer the original design."

After seeing the output of the new DA Cordoba owned Dynas, I very much wondered if these are just really DA 2000s. I love my 5126 but want something brighter in a solid body.

My search took me too many sites and brands..... Fralin Dynasonics (which describes them as 2 products: "Hum-Cancelling P90 and our new Alnico Rod P90 and gave them sexy DynaSonic looks." The output: P90 Neck: 15.5K.; P90 Bridge: 16.7K. --- Alnico Rod Neck: 8.5K. and 10K on the bridge.

Gretsch Dynasonic pickups advertised on Sweetwater that do not have any specs but appear to be the same as what is on the Guild models.

These: http://customshop.seymourdu.... The site describes them and I get the feeling they are like the old Dynas (if I really ever knew what they were anyway)

I have a 5126 and know what they can do, how my amp can expand the highs, but feel they are a little too "tame" for the LP body I am looking to install. "hot" P90s are not the answer and a different beast. Those SD Dynas seem pretty good but am also intrigued about the T-Armonds........what are your thoughts?

– NJDevil

I believe quite a few people rate the Seymour Duncan Dynas as the next best thing to vintage Dynas. I only have experience of vintage ones and T-Armonds. I found the T-Armonds a little darker but as I've gathered from Billy Zoom and others here other factors such as the 1 meg volume pots that came stock on vintage Gretsch dyna equipped guitars play a part in the difference in sparkle too.

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I wouldn't discount GFS Surf 90s, NJD. They're definitely a more authoritative pickup than the DA2000.

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Good reminder tabletop about the 1Meg pots....I had not factored that in. I also found a video Proteus posted years ago of then-current Dynas in a Duo Jet with the T-Armond in another Duo Jet. It's a great video that shows both being played by the same amp and then with another amp. If I word it correctly, the Dynas had that "sparkle" the T-Armonds lacked and the T-Armonds had a deeper (one could say slightly darker), but noticeable, tone.

Proteus- The GFS Surf 90s!!! For whatever reason, this is the 1 pickup that always impresses but never stays in my memory!! Thanks for the recommendation!

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Good reminder tabletop about the 1Meg pots....I had not factored that in. I also found a video Proteus posted years ago of then-current Dynas in a Duo Jet with the T-Armond in another Duo Jet. It's a great video that shows both being played by the same amp and then with another amp. If I word it correctly, the Dynas had that "sparkle" the T-Armonds lacked and the T-Armonds had a deeper (one could say slightly darker), but noticeable, tone.

Proteus- The GFS Surf 90s!!! For whatever reason, this is the 1 pickup that always impresses but never stays in my memory!! Thanks for the recommendation!

– NJDevil

I've had the Surf 90s, in a big ol' Broadway..... they were very good. I definitely would not discount them... the slugs aren't adjustable of course. Even Paul Pigat said they were good pickups in another recent thread...

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I prefer the Surf 90s, I know that's sinful but they cover the spectrum from top to bottom for me and are easy to set up. The lack of pole adjustment is of no concern to me, but raising and lowering the pickup in the usual humbucker way on two springs makes perfect sense.

My next evil plan is to try these out. The price is good, the reviews are good and they supply a variety of fitting options. And there's no messing with bits of foam and shims. That's the main thing that puts me off T Armonds. The idea that there's a perfect position that I haven't found yet is just irritating. Give me springs and a screw driver and then I can get on with playing the guitar. https://www.gabojo.com/mr-2...

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An important point of clarity: that shootout is between T-Armonds and Seymour Duncan Dynas, not stock.

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An important point of clarity: that shootout is between T-Armonds and Seymour Duncan Dynas, not stock.

– Proteus

Thanks Proteus....the devil is certainly in this detail as the SDs are certainly the "leader of the pack." Also another nod to your quote from a previous post: "....it's a shame there's no trade nomenclature to denote a pickup with the original FidelaTone design - ie, magnetized polepieces with the spring-loaded elevators. I've had experience with all the above pickups (except the new ones), and I like them all. But they do NOT sound the same, and I much prefer the original design."


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