Pickups

It looks like Gretsch has brought out a new pickup …

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Do we know they're not those pickups, renamed and re-splashed for some mid-year re-hype?

The ad copy makes them sound like a good idea -

"all-new FideliSonic™ 90 pickups. These single-coil 90 pickups retain the full warm tone of a traditional P90 with a distinct top-end that is articulate and well-defined" -

but who's going to use nondescript or ehhblah tonewords in a product blurb anyway? I'd like to hear them in person.

I guess they could be good enough to make me forget I hate the pickup rings. I'm not crazy about the surface-mountage of Dynasonics, though I accept it for the Best Pickup Ever.

But these rings start from way behind the 8-ball with me. Better than dog-ears to hang P90s in an archtop, I guess.

But wait. These are all centerblockers, right? Just mount'em soapbar-direct geez, like they already are on the current 2622.

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The pickups sound pretty good to me. They have a fat Fender like quality to them more than any other Gretsch pickup. I am curious to play them in person.

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These have gone so far off script that it feels like we’ve gone full circle on the pre-FMIC Historic Series. That said, I do love my 3140....

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Can anyone just make P90's? What's up with that?

Is it a Gribson or a Girtsch?

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I've been watching more demo videos of these and I have to say, if I was a younger player looking for a great guitar to define my sound or if I didn't already own a Duo Jet with Dynasonics which for me is the sound, these would be high on my list. The pickups deliver what I was hoping to hear when they were announced. They have that top end attack and clarity like Fender pickups but with the midrange of a good P90. To me this is FMIC building a Fender semi hollow guitar branded as a Gretsch. I can tell these guitars would fit the music I write and like to play.

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make me forget I hate the pickup rings.

agreed. Mount them on the center block already, those rings look awful and don't serve a purpose. staples can be nice pickups - I have some cheap knockoff ones from the "Roswell" brand (made in Korea I think) and they're actually really nice, and super cheap. I wouldn't be surprised if these "new" Gretsch ones were from the same factory. They're like a slightly brighter P90 with a little more string separation.

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Are the rings because the same routed husk is used for other pickups?

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agree the pickup rings blow it..aesthetically....probably used cause the body routes were cut before the pickups were decided upon

still could be cool..Fideli'Sonic P90 pickups...but depends on the design...are the rectangular/staple pole pieces actual alnico (i'd doubt) magnets or just slugs.... and what are they wound with & to??

interesting, but too early to judge before somebody takes one apart...& provides specs

still tho..for a gretsch!...gimmee a dyna style anyday...same vibe and way more historically valid

cheers

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agree the pickup rings blow it..aesthetically....probably used cause the body routes were cut before the pickups were decided upon

still could be cool..Fideli'Sonic P90 pickups...but depends on the design...are the rectangular/staple pole pieces actual alnico (i'd doubt) magnets or just slugs.... and what are they wound with & to??

interesting, but too early to judge before somebody takes one apart...& provides specs

still tho..for a gretsch!...gimmee a dyna style anyday...same vibe and way more historically valid

cheers

– neatone

This is probably Gretsch's way of providing a Dynasonic-ish pickup for the Streamliner and maybe eventually the Electromatic series. We have been clamoring for a good single coil pickup for both.

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make me forget I hate the pickup rings.

agreed. Mount them on the center block already, those rings look awful and don't serve a purpose. staples can be nice pickups - I have some cheap knockoff ones from the "Roswell" brand (made in Korea I think) and they're actually really nice, and super cheap. I wouldn't be surprised if these "new" Gretsch ones were from the same factory. They're like a slightly brighter P90 with a little more string separation.

– WB

I thought they were Roswells too, Roswell P-90's

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This is probably Gretsch's way of providing a Dynasonic-ish pickup for the Streamliner and maybe eventually the Electromatic series. We have been clamoring for a good single coil pickup for both.

These are good thoughts, and I hope you’re right. But that makes it doubly important to get rid of the surround. If the pickups can’t be soapbar-mounted in every potential guitar model...why not make them in a Filter’Tron form factor? They already make those rings by the bajillion.

Or work up new surrounds specific to the new pickup’s size - but which look like F’Tron rings. Gretsch has a handsome pickup ring with its own distinctive and identifiable look - which hasn’t been bogarted ad infinitum by the rest of the industry. They should capitalize on it rather than coming up with yet another design - a clumsy, visually intrusive, unattractive design at that.

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Why do Staples anyway, when they could do TVJ T-Armonds, or T-90s... depending on the aesthetic they wanted? Now THAT would be classy.. and, they are adjustable just like real staples. Actually, the staple was developed to compete against the original adjustable Dearmond....

https://www.premierguitar.c...

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Why do Staples anyway, when they could do TVJ T-Armonds, or T-90s.

Well, I get not doing these premium (expensive) pickups in the Streamliner and Electromatic series. They’d impressively raise the prices of the guitars and/or give away the family jewels while cannibalizing more profitable pro series sales.

It makes sense to have a good single-coil specific to the junior lines...and one more compelling than the 2K of yesteryear. (If that pickup had been All That, it would have moved more guitars and still be in the line.)

I hope the reason for the rings does turn out to be adapting a new pickup to bodies already cut for something else. It would surprise me that FMIC so badly misjudged demand for a guitar model that they would have hundreds (more?) unused bodies on hand for long enough to need to resort to a pickup-swap trick. But could be.

Maybe once they’ve sold through the adapted inventory, they’ll revert to direct-mounting in bodies routed for the size of the new pups. The rings cost something, and are another durn part to stock and coordinate during production. Hopefully they’d be as glad to see them go as we would be.

I’ll certainly try a guitar with these pickups in person, as they are, if I get the chance. Maybe their goodness would overwhelm my aesthetic hand-wringing. But the oogly quotient is high enough to keep me from ordering sound unheard. If the pups were more harmoniously mounted (visually), I’d already be gassing.

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It's cool Gretsch has affordable guitars with single coil pickups now (even though there's nothing especially Gretsch about them at all)

For the record : staple pickups do not sound like DeArmonds. They're not "Fendery" either. They're a slighly more refined P90 in practice.

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It's cool Gretsch has affordable guitars with single coil pickups now (even though there's nothing especially Gretsch about them at all)

For the record : staple pickups do not sound like DeArmonds. They're not "Fendery" either. They're a slighly more refined P90 in practice.

– WB

I would disagree that there is nothing Gretsch about them. If it was a standard P90 with magnets and screws then I would agree with you. They definitely do not look like traditional Gretsch pickups but the fact that they have staple slugs puts them closer to Dynasonic sonic territory than standard P90 territory which they don’t really sound like at all. To my ears the main difference between a Dynasonic and a standard P90 is the high and low end clarity and crisp attack you get with a Dynasonics compared to the smooth attack and semi compressed high and low end of a standard P90. Both have enhanced midrange. These new staple P90s sound to me like a hybrid of a Dynasonic and a Fender single coil.

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I would disagree that there is nothing Gretsch about them. If it was a standard P90 with magnets and screws then I would agree with you. They definitely do not look like traditional Gretsch pickups but the fact that they have staple slugs puts them closer to Dynasonic sonic territory than standard P90 territory which they don’t really sound like at all. To my ears the main difference between a Dynasonic and a standard P90 is the high and low end clarity and crisp attack you get with a Dynasonics compared to the smooth attack and semi compressed high and low end of a standard P90. Both have enhanced midrange. These new staple P90s sound to me like a hybrid of a Dynasonic and a Fender single coil.

– BuddyHollywood

When I said "nothing Gretsch" , I was talking about the guitars Buddy. Nothing Gretsch about the pickups either, staple pole P90's are a Gibson thing.

I have non-adjustable staples in the neck position of two guitars, and they sound a lot more like a regular P90 than you'd think. Like I said, a little more clarity and treble and definition, but still firmly in the Gibson/P90 camp.

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When I said "nothing Gretsch" , I was talking about the guitars Buddy. Nothing Gretsch about the pickups either, staple pole P90's are a Gibson thing.

I have non-adjustable staples in the neck position of two guitars, and they sound a lot more like a regular P90 than you'd think. Like I said, a little more clarity and treble and definition, but still firmly in the Gibson/P90 camp.

– WB

Oh! Yes I definitely agree these guitars have way more Gibson than traditional Gretsch in their DNA. It's becoming so common now with new Gretsch guitars that I must be getting used to it and even expecting it. I understand why Gretsch is going this way but I also think that there must be many players who would enjoy the traditional Gretsch features like the high necks and floating bridges because of the unique sounds and feel but will never experience them. They won't know what they are missing.

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Got my Lil 2622 last night. Played for about an hour through my ac15 and couldn't quite find the sound, just sounded really really bright. Went thru my Lil dsl5cr and darn thing blew my socks off. Every other guitar I've had like my vox more, but this Lil thing just loved my marshall, will try more with the vox but hard to get past that growl I got with it thru the marshall, wasn't perfect but it was definitely in the ball park of what I was hoping for.

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P90s are spectacular pickups. I'm covered with my gold top Les Paul, ES295, and Lennon Casino. Each has their own sound and characteristic. Will change sound on the 295 with Lollar 50s (only because I can't afford the SD staples).

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I have so many P90 guitars, no staples, though. My old ES125 has alnico slug pickups, and they don't sound like other P90s.They aren't adjustable, of course, like these.

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A pity there isn’t this Gretsch ring around these pickups. I like those looks better.

They seem to sound good. I first heard staple pickups years ago on a modded 5120 but that was a Seymour Duncan Phat Staple. Very expensive but really nice. Over time I heard more staple pickups and so far I was never disappointed with their sound. Quality may vary in different takes on the concept.

The guitars seem really nice. I do start to miss some Gretschiness somehow. But I would try one if I saw one.


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