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Nov 19, 2008 3:54 p.m. nicolaidenmark:

Hi all,

As you might have read in my thread, I have decided to purchase the CA 6120-59LTV from Joel, once I have got the money.

I was wondering if you could tell me abbout dynas vs. Filters?

I went with a HB Gretsch as I have SCs on my strat. I've heard Dynas are more twangy and Filters are very bright. (My future guitar has TV Jones Classics). Is the TVJC a good rock PU and will it have sufficient low end and mids and not just treble?

I wanna use the gretsch for Bryan adams playing (my big idol) and he gets a good sound from his filters I think. (He plays a marshall JTM45 live, I play vox ac15h1.

Can somebody link to an overdriven rocking guitar with filters?

Thanks.
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Nov 19, 2008 4:00 p.m. Curt:

Oh no, not again. Wouldn't you rather ask about lacquer vs. poly?

Just kidding I'm sure Pro will guide you to his comparisons which will be really helpful. My question is what kind of music do you like or want to play?
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Nov 19, 2008 4:02 p.m. Bear:

Is lacquer vs. poly not a good thing to talk about?
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Nov 19, 2008 4:08 p.m. Parabar:

For a good example of an overdriven rocking guitar with filters, put on "Who's Next." That's Pete Townshend rocking a 6120 with FilterTrons.

Also:

Neil Young's "Everybody Knows this is Nowhere"

Brian Setzer Orchestra "Guitar Slinger" or "Dirty Boogie"
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Nov 19, 2008 4:15 p.m. wenzel:

Dyna's are single coil pickups that are hotter than filtertrons and filtertrons are humbuckers that don't sound anything like Gibson pickups. Filtertrons are brighter and closer to single coil pickups than gibson pickups, but they don't sound anything like singles. The early Beatles albums used dyna's and the mid beatles used filters and hi-lo tron pickups, another single coil pickup with really low output that gives them an acoustic quality that you won't find in dyna's or filters. I prefer filtertrons, but I like dyna's. I'd like to have both, but if I had to choose, filtertrons sound most gretschy to me and my opinion of what a gretsch sounds like, especially since dyna's were in many brands of guitar, including Guild's. So, I'd say watch a bunch of videos on youtube of gretsch guitars and decide for yourself.

Filtertrons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmuxtY-7haA

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSPmb0a5vZA

Dyna's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fTDhdZpNmA

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br5B2ZaO79E
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Nov 19, 2008 4:39 p.m. yettoblaster:

Filtertrons is my favorite sound (for me).

Yet for Duane stuff Dyna's are right on in the details of the nuances of the minutia.
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Nov 19, 2008 4:41 p.m. Danman:

Parabar:
I think dirty boogie is his silver jet with dyna's. Not filters.
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Nov 19, 2008 5:29 p.m. Proteus:

You wanna hear Dynas rock? Find anything by X with Billy Zoom.

They rock with authority.
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Nov 19, 2008 5:31 p.m. Curt:

Did you say overdriven Filters?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pm-EFhorfc
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Nov 19, 2008 5:50 p.m. Pappy:

Short answer: You'll be fine and completely satisfied.

Long answer: You'll be fine and completely satisfied because filters rock. Dynas rock too, but filters have no problem with what you want. Looks like filters on Bryan's guitar on the cover of 18 Till I Die (My favorite Bryan Adams CD).
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Nov 20, 2008 3:53 a.m. nicolaidenmark:

HI Pappy,

I'm sure Bryan's Gretsch have filters. Keith's signature 6120 has dynas stock, however, it seems like he has replaced them with filters. Can one do that?? I thought it was impossible.

What I am after is among other things, this solo sound from Everything I do: (I know it's studio- but still):

http://www.megaupload.com/dk/?d=2ZUNQDDG
pappy said:

Short answer: You'll be fine and completely satisfied.

Long answer: You'll be fine and completely satisfied because filters rock. Dynas rock too, but filters have no problem with what you want. Looks like filters on Bryan's guitar on the cover of 18 Till I Die (My favorite Bryan Adams CD).
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Nov 20, 2008 5:07 a.m. Pappy:

Anything is possible. A little routing and filters will be able to fit in.

But seriously, I think you'll be fine with the Classics.
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Nov 20, 2008 7:22 a.m. Paddywagon:

nicolaidenmark,

You said you'll be using a Vox ac15 amp? My personal opinion is that Dyna's sound way better through a Vox, like a lot better...

Of course, you said you have a Strat with single coils, so maybe you are making a wise choice. Go with the Classics!
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Nov 20, 2008 8:51 a.m. Chonny:

I had a late 90s AC30 for a year, I thought it sounded great with all my guitars. I downsized to an AC-15. It had less headroom (thank god) but still sounded great.

I think a Vox (or Vox + pedal) is actually one of the best places to go with Filtertrons.
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Nov 20, 2008 9:00 a.m. Gigatron:

You can get this sound out of Filters, but you have to let your girlfriend do your hair.
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Nov 20, 2008 12:31 p.m. nicolaidenmark:

Chonny said:
I had a late 90s AC30 for a year, I thought it sounded great with all my guitars. I downsized to an AC-15. It had less headroom (thank god) but still sounded great.

I think a Vox (or Vox + pedal) is actually one of the best places to go with Filtertrons.

I use a TS9 with my vox...
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Nov 20, 2008 1:07 p.m. bonedaddy:

Listen to this live version of She Sells Sanctuary by the Cult. This sounds incredible. I think I like it more than the studio version:

Billy Duffy/The Cult - She Sells Sanctuary
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Nov 20, 2008 1:43 p.m. g6120:

if you listen to early chet atkins and duane eddy they used dynas in thier gretsch guitars .

later on chet switched to filtertrons because of feedback issues with the dyna pickups .

to me filters are brighter but dynas have more bottom end and hotter . i have two gretsch guitars one with filters the other with dynas and each i like for what they are .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8w0B0QCLXg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-c66SJPuUI

filters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsGb52-f768&feature=related
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Nov 20, 2008 1:46 p.m. Tux:

nico,

No technician here; just a player.

Several years ago I bought a brand new Gretsch 6120KS (Keith Scott) Nashville Goldtop. Found the Dynasonics to be very tinny. Electric Banjo material.

Less than a year later, I played a Brian Setzer 6120-SSL, thru a Fender Twin Reverb at a Guitar Center, and was in (TV Jones) FilterTron heaven.

Just one player's findings, no salesman will call, etc, but I think you're making the right move.
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Nov 20, 2008 2:01 p.m. nicolaidenmark:

seems you and Keith Scott share the same Idea then....
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Nov 20, 2008 2:08 p.m. Tux:

nico said: seems you and Keith Scott share the same idea then...

Ya lost me, pal. Please explain further. I ain't never had much lernin'.
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Nov 20, 2008 2:47 p.m. audiodrome:

I will never be able to decide between Filters and Dynas as my favorite (I currently have two of both), but I have to admit that the Dynas probably sound a little bit "cooler."
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Nov 20, 2008 3:41 p.m. Paddywagon:

Tux,

I think he means Keith Scott switched to Filters in his own guitar...(Keith preferred them to Dyna's, too)
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Nov 20, 2008 5:25 p.m. nicolaidenmark:

Yep!

I think these are filters, right?
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Nov 20, 2008 6:07 p.m. Pappy:

Yup.

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