Pickups

Dynasonic Construction Question

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Does anyone know if the internal parts; specifically the slugs and height adjustment screws on the 90's Dearmond 2000 (Dynasonic) and the Dearmond 2K (as found on Dearmond guitars from the 90's) are interchangeable? Could you remove the slugs and screws from a 2000 and switch them for the slugs and screws from a 2K?

If I tell you why I want to know, do you promise you won't think ill of me?

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Well to be clear As far as I know there's 3 types of these Dearmond/Dynasonic type pickups (this doesn't include TV JOnes, or Seymour duncan etc)

1-First there's the vintage Dearmond Dyansonics which were copied by Gretsch/Fender and just called Dynasonics(used in the current pro models). These have the round alnico pole pieces with an elaborate protruding arrangement of springs, screws and brass collars oh my on the bottom, allowing you to adjust the alnico pole pieces individually.

2- Then there's the Dearmond 2Ks These are the closest to the above pickups sonically. They have actual alnico slugs but they're shorter and the arrangement for adjusting them is inside the pickup underneath a protruding metal bottom plate.

3- Then there's the Dearmond 2000s (I believe) .These are actually more like P-90s in construction as they have steel pole pieces that screw in and out and a magnet underneath the bobbin. Otherwise they're pretty similar to the above pickups in looks, having a metal plate on the bottom. Sonicially they're closer to P-90s than a DeArmond.

That said I think it would be a challenging and difficult project to swap parts around between them. with a fair amount of potential for messing them up. Not saying you shouldn't do it. It's just that having seen a couple, digging into them looks difficult.

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no you cant!!

toxophilite has good info but he crossed the models..the 2ks are the p90 type...the 2000's are closer to the vintage style

you cant exchange between the 2 because the 2k use non magnet slug polepieces and bar magnets below the bobbin...the 2000's use actual magnet polepieces...

heres the old info from the creator of them both-bill turner (rip)

"Here`s the story.

The De Armond 2K and 2000 are wholly different animals. The 2K is configured like a P-90. Marketing wanted to create a jazz style pickup for the DeArmond guitars, and wanted to use the 2000 format. Personally, I would have liked to seen us release a RI 2000 to the market on a MIA guitar initially. This would have avoided some of the confusion that now exists between the models.

The De Armond guitar line took priority, and that meant that the 2K was developed first. There were no plans from marketing at the time to further develop the 2000.

As the 2k model began to come together, I and a good friend in R&D went ahead and designed parts for the 2000, and added these to the final set of drawings. Although there were no plans to use the parts that were designed for the 2000, they would be there when the time came.

The opportunity came last year when Gretsch approached Fender about using the 2K on thier guitars. Gretsch assumed that the pickup we were making for De Armond was a 2000 type model, and yes, it looks like one, but we knew that the 2K would not compliment the original Gretsch sound. This gave us the chance to to push for the production of the 2000 and deliver it to Gretsch in the original 2000 config. The distiguishing feature for the Gretsch`s is that the 2000 does not sport the De Armond logo.

As we began to produce the 2000, interest grew to include the Guild Custom Shop, The Fender Custom Shop, and Guild guitars. So far, the exposure for the 2000 has been limited, but we are trying to expand it`s role on the guitar.

As I said, the 2K is configured like a P-90. The pole pieces and pole adjust screws are steel. The poles extend through the bobbin where they are trapped between a pair of like pole Alnico 5 bar magnets. The bobbin is surrounded by a thin steel U channel from below the bobbin to enhance the pickups inductance.

DC resistance: 7.4K Inductance: 6 Henries 43 gage magnet wire

The sound is like a P-90, in that it is a very fat single coil, but not quite as heavy as a P-90.

The 2000 uses only 1/4 inch Alnico 5 pole pieces in the bobbin, the sound is bright with that great rockabilly snap.

DC resistance: 8.85K Inductance: 3.55 Henries 44 gage magnet wire

Hope this does it.

Bill Turner"

cheers

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no you cant!!

toxophilite has good info but he crossed the models..the 2ks are the p90 type...the 2000's are closer to the vintage style

you cant exchange between the 2 because the 2k use non magnet slug polepieces and bar magnets below the bobbin...the 2000's use actual magnet polepieces...

heres the old info from the creator of them both-bill turner (rip)

"Here`s the story.

The De Armond 2K and 2000 are wholly different animals. The 2K is configured like a P-90. Marketing wanted to create a jazz style pickup for the DeArmond guitars, and wanted to use the 2000 format. Personally, I would have liked to seen us release a RI 2000 to the market on a MIA guitar initially. This would have avoided some of the confusion that now exists between the models.

The De Armond guitar line took priority, and that meant that the 2K was developed first. There were no plans from marketing at the time to further develop the 2000.

As the 2k model began to come together, I and a good friend in R&D went ahead and designed parts for the 2000, and added these to the final set of drawings. Although there were no plans to use the parts that were designed for the 2000, they would be there when the time came.

The opportunity came last year when Gretsch approached Fender about using the 2K on thier guitars. Gretsch assumed that the pickup we were making for De Armond was a 2000 type model, and yes, it looks like one, but we knew that the 2K would not compliment the original Gretsch sound. This gave us the chance to to push for the production of the 2000 and deliver it to Gretsch in the original 2000 config. The distiguishing feature for the Gretsch`s is that the 2000 does not sport the De Armond logo.

As we began to produce the 2000, interest grew to include the Guild Custom Shop, The Fender Custom Shop, and Guild guitars. So far, the exposure for the 2000 has been limited, but we are trying to expand it`s role on the guitar.

As I said, the 2K is configured like a P-90. The pole pieces and pole adjust screws are steel. The poles extend through the bobbin where they are trapped between a pair of like pole Alnico 5 bar magnets. The bobbin is surrounded by a thin steel U channel from below the bobbin to enhance the pickups inductance.

DC resistance: 7.4K Inductance: 6 Henries 43 gage magnet wire

The sound is like a P-90, in that it is a very fat single coil, but not quite as heavy as a P-90.

The 2000 uses only 1/4 inch Alnico 5 pole pieces in the bobbin, the sound is bright with that great rockabilly snap.

DC resistance: 8.85K Inductance: 3.55 Henries 44 gage magnet wire

Hope this does it.

Bill Turner"

cheers

– neatone

Thanks! That's what I was suspecting -that they look identical from the outside but the guts are different.

The reason I was asking is that the 2K really is a GREAT sounding 'jazz' neck pickup, and I have one lying around.

The 3110 I just got is quite lovely with it's gold-accented tobacco sunburst, but I want this to be a jazz guitar, and with flatwound 12's the wound strings sound fine but the 2000 neck pickup is too bright on the unwound strings, and knocking either the tone or volume control back a notch doesn't change the character of the unwound strings before it starts muffling the wound strings too much.

So of course I wanted to swap the gold parts of the 2000 neck pickup for the chrome/steel parts of the 2K so it would look exactly like it does now, but with that lovely P-90 but-more-articulate sound of the 2K...

Maybe just swap the gold shell and black cover and no one notices that the slugs and screws are silver????

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Try backing off the pole pieces on the unwound strings. I've done this on my Dyna Clipper and it gives a more woody/acoustic tone than the full-on Dyna experience of a Duo Jet.

6

no you cant!!

toxophilite has good info but he crossed the models..the 2ks are the p90 type...the 2000's are closer to the vintage style

you cant exchange between the 2 because the 2k use non magnet slug polepieces and bar magnets below the bobbin...the 2000's use actual magnet polepieces...

heres the old info from the creator of them both-bill turner (rip)

"Here`s the story.

The De Armond 2K and 2000 are wholly different animals. The 2K is configured like a P-90. Marketing wanted to create a jazz style pickup for the DeArmond guitars, and wanted to use the 2000 format. Personally, I would have liked to seen us release a RI 2000 to the market on a MIA guitar initially. This would have avoided some of the confusion that now exists between the models.

The De Armond guitar line took priority, and that meant that the 2K was developed first. There were no plans from marketing at the time to further develop the 2000.

As the 2k model began to come together, I and a good friend in R&D went ahead and designed parts for the 2000, and added these to the final set of drawings. Although there were no plans to use the parts that were designed for the 2000, they would be there when the time came.

The opportunity came last year when Gretsch approached Fender about using the 2K on thier guitars. Gretsch assumed that the pickup we were making for De Armond was a 2000 type model, and yes, it looks like one, but we knew that the 2K would not compliment the original Gretsch sound. This gave us the chance to to push for the production of the 2000 and deliver it to Gretsch in the original 2000 config. The distiguishing feature for the Gretsch`s is that the 2000 does not sport the De Armond logo.

As we began to produce the 2000, interest grew to include the Guild Custom Shop, The Fender Custom Shop, and Guild guitars. So far, the exposure for the 2000 has been limited, but we are trying to expand it`s role on the guitar.

As I said, the 2K is configured like a P-90. The pole pieces and pole adjust screws are steel. The poles extend through the bobbin where they are trapped between a pair of like pole Alnico 5 bar magnets. The bobbin is surrounded by a thin steel U channel from below the bobbin to enhance the pickups inductance.

DC resistance: 7.4K Inductance: 6 Henries 43 gage magnet wire

The sound is like a P-90, in that it is a very fat single coil, but not quite as heavy as a P-90.

The 2000 uses only 1/4 inch Alnico 5 pole pieces in the bobbin, the sound is bright with that great rockabilly snap.

DC resistance: 8.85K Inductance: 3.55 Henries 44 gage magnet wire

Hope this does it.

Bill Turner"

cheers

– neatone

Ah heck I always get them mixed up. the names are all the same anyway. I think I'll just call them..pickups!

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i agree, dearmond 2k's are wonderful smokey jazz neck pups...very much in the tradition of the classic gibby p90's...thinkin hall & burrell

but, vintage dyna style is great jazzer too...cut thru the mix nicely...

you might want to try removing the spacer from beneath the 2000 neck pup...raising the wound poles and lowering the b &e poles into the pup

not sure if 2k shell and 2000 shell would be a possible exchange

cheers


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