Pedals

Xtomp

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Proteus mentioned this in another post and because of his enthusiasm, I just ordered one of these gizmos (should have Tuesday). Please, no anti-modeling, purist rants, I get that, and am generally not into software-based effects or apps (I’m old-school) but this does seem like a useful kit. I’m interested in others experiences with this unit and favorite effects, amps and cabs, looper capability’s, acoustic effects, forums for the Xtomp and other online resources.

2

There are occasions when I would like to use a particular effect but don’t want to shell out $200 for a pedal that is used seldom. Hopefully it’ll not be a “tone-sucker” and play nicely with my existing pedalboard. I realize placement in the signal path is a variable dependent on the effect, etc. one chooses to use.

I purchased through Amazon just in case I need to return it without hassle.

3

Well you know. I like mine.

Doesn't mean it's replaced analog pedals, but at the very least it supplies those effects I might want to play with but into which I don't want to invest either space or money. The surprise has been how well I like a lot of the dirt and amp models (many of which work unexpectedly well into the input of an amp) - and though I've hated chorus since the overuse of the 80s, Xtomp's have intrigued me back in. Delays and reverbs aren't likely to replace any of my pedals anytime soon, though.

4

It's interesting how they have incorporated the tap tempo function in recent updates. I'm curious to see what else comes down the pike. Like you, I'm more interested in the dirt pedals and some of the other mod pedals - Univibe, tremolo's, Phasers, etc, Some of the Chorus type effects are very promising - Dimension C, etc.

How are the compressors? Thought I'd ask you (Proteus) as you are a something of a compressor geek.

Has anyone used this device with acoustic guitars? I saw that there is a Preamp and I think one of the effects is tailored to acoustic.

How does the looper do as compared to the Ditto etc? Are the equalizers any good?

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I haven't done more than spin through the compressors, because I have nice comp pedals and don't need them. But it makes me curious, so I'll dive in.

I also haven't plugged in an acoustic, but the acoustic simulators are surprisingly good. They don't convince me I'm hearing a nicely mic'ed acoustic - but they're no worse overall than the average piezo undersaddle pickup, and they have a different character than that which I prefer.

Haven't used the looper either - but the equalizers are pretty good. A bit tedious to configure, but workable.

I didn't realize they'd integrated tap tempo; I'm behind on updates. Gotta get on that!

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Well you know. I like mine.

Doesn't mean it's replaced analog pedals, but at the very least it supplies those effects I might want to play with but into which I don't want to invest either space or money. The surprise has been how well I like a lot of the dirt and amp models (many of which work unexpectedly well into the input of an amp) - and though I've hated chorus since the overuse of the 80s, Xtomp's have intrigued me back in. Delays and reverbs aren't likely to replace any of my pedals anytime soon, though.

– Proteus

Now see... THIS I find interesting. OK, so... here is where a box like this would be useful for ME:

I play in a cover band. Depending on the setlist, I have too many pedals, all won't fit on the board, and I will NOT go to a bigger board... in my own personal playing (for myself), I use like 4 pedals. Max. Anyway, at any given time I need:

Chorus
Fast speed Leslie
Slow speed Leslie
Uni-Vibe
Tremolo
Flange/phaser
Auto-wah/filter

...and these are effects I don't really care about much (except chorus, which I have been getting into again lately), and don't use except for on gigs, so a "quick box" that can mimic these things could be handy.

It can sit in-between my analog dirt (wink) and my digital delay. But seriously, if it has good sounds on it... especially the ones that are either hard-to-come-by or hard-to-come-by-unless-you-spend-alot-of-money (leslie), then I'm interested. I see on Reverb someone selling them for $71... new. That's pretty crazy. I do hate apps tho, so the thing would have to be very easy to switch effects on, spending time unloading a tremolo patch so I can unload a leslie patch.... if it's more than a minute or to, it will have reached my PITA threshold LOL. (I wouldn't be switching patches live or anything, but if I know I need a Uni-Vibe THAT NIGHT, and not a leslie, I could re-programs the ONE pedal accordingly, and get rid of my uni-vibe and leslie pedals, which I really don't use other than for gigs. )

I had the silver Zoom pedal, and it actually could do this as well.... and no software/app required, but in that case, BECAUSE it had a digital readout and rolling menus, it was a PITA to program/re-program. That's why I sold it.... not practical enough for me. That's actually why I sold the GDEC... I loved that amp, nothing beats it for low-volume practice, especially when you want gainy sounds.... but I couldn't just reach over and turn the treble down, or the bass up, or increase the delay time, etc..... it was all rolling menus. By the time I was done adjusting the delay time, a minute had gone by.... which is what taught me I like old-fashioned pedals without too many knobs/parameters.... in general, I like pedals that do one thing, and are dead simple to dial in quickly. It take the "messing with gear" out of the equation and leaves my headspace free for the playing part.

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ruger9

Evidently it does take a few minutes to initially load the patches but once they are in, only a few seconds to load them again. I'm with you on the "dead simple" that's why I've stayed away from mult-effect units. This shines in that it only loads (1) effect or amp or cab at a time, unless you spring for the standard unit (over the mini) then you can load a few "specialty" combo effects - a (2) pedal combination and you can access their "special" (homebrewed pedals) and a looper pedal.

I am interested in where this tech may be leading, new updates monthly, etc. Now the delays, etc have tap-tempo capabilities, etc.

I can't see buying a flanger or a chorus, etc. for an occasional song but this appeals to me and the models of some classic or unobtainium type effects are supposedly really close to the real thing. I may just find one or two effects that I can basically use regularly and sell a couple of mine as a bonus.

Like I mentioned, as long as it isn't a "tone-sucker" I'm in. When you choose an effect you can also choose whether it is true-bypass or buffered, which is pretty cool.

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Let's distinguish between 3 statuses for an algorithm:

• Library: algo is in the app, maybe not in pedal
• Resident: has been loaded into pedal's memory, not currently active
• Active: currently active in pedal

When you download the app, all models load with it into Library. When you check for updates online (via the app), you get: any update to the app; any update to existing models; all new models released since your last update.

Plug the Xtomp into power. Launch the app on your device. Bluetooth scans and finds the pedal, and in "My Xtomp" screen, shows what's currently active on the pedal, which knobs are used for that model, and what they do. If you want a different model, scroll through them in the Library and beam it to the pedal.

The FIRST time you send a model to the pedal, it can take up to a minute; it immediately becomes the Active model.

The pedal can hold x-number (at least dozens) of models in its Resident memory (though with only one Active). If you want to activate a model which is Resident, you do so from the app agin - but it takes less than 10-15 seconds.

At some point, as you load models into the pedal, it exceeds Resident memory. The pedal makes room for it - but I don't know if it dumps Resident inactive models on a first-in/first-out basis, or is cleverer than that and dumps the least recently activated model. You'll know the Xtomp has dumped a model from its memory when you try to activate the model from the app and it takes longer than 10-15 seconds to bluetooth over to the pedal.

In practice, none of this is a problem, because you aren't going to quickly shuffle dozens of models in the pedal. (I've only run into it when serially loading every model in the library to try them.)

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Current Xtomp Library

By rough count, and not getting fastidious about a few miscellaneous items that don't fit easily into any category, I get:

• 41 guitar amps (many with custom cab IRs NOT reflected in the CABS section below)
• 3 bass amps and a bass preamp
• 46 drive/distortion/fuzz
• 5 compressors
• 4 boost/preamps
• 3 noise gates (one with boost)
• 4 guitar EQ (all 5-band w/different centerpoints)
• 3 bass EQ (ditto)
• 2 ring mods
• 2 specialty filters
• 1 pitch shift
• 7 filter/auto-wah
• 3 bass filter/auto-wah
• 6 trems
• 6 phasers
• 17 choruses
• 3 flangers
• 3 vibratos
• 3 vibe/rotating speaker
• 15 delays
• 9 reverbs
• 35 cabs (mostly guitar, some bass)
• 25 assorted dual effects combining singles from above
• 7 "signature" dual effects curated by semi-famous pickers
• 1 noise generator
• 1 tape saturation emulator
• 4 acoustic preamp/compressor
• the 45-second looper

So...228 effects/models/things, not counting the 32 double-ups. Not bad for well under 100.00 (Xtomp mini mono version) or 200.00 (Xtomp stereo version). What if you can only use half of them? Less than a buck each. What if only 10%? 2.28 - 4.56 each. What if only TWO? Still cheaper than most standalone pedals...

Notes
- Most of the model type headings below correspond to what Hotone calls them in the app. In the app, models appear in alphabetical order. In some cases, I grouped models in more logical ways under the headings. EXCEPT, I made the "For Acoustic" category to logically group items from several of Hotone's categories.
- If a brand name is not mentioned for a model, it's a Hotone orignal.
- When a brand name IS mentioned, Hotone acknowledges the source - EXCEPT for Roland/Boss products, which are described by color, knob count, and other language which makes the source clear. I presume from this arrangement that Hotone has explicit permission from most builders to use their brand info, and that Roland/Boss has not given that permission.
- In the listings below, Hotone's name for a model appears before the colon, and the modeled source after the colon.

AMPS
Tweed Lux: Fender tweed Deluxe
Baseman: Fender Bassman 5F6-A
Black Twin: Fender 65 Twin Reverb combo
Voxy 30TB: Vox AC-30
Dizzle VH: Diezel VH4 head
Doctor 38: Dr Z Maz 38 Sr. combo
Eddie 51: Peavey 5150 (lead channel)
Emperor: Matchless Chieftain 212 combo
Engle Saga: Engl Savage 120 E610 head (CH 4, contour off)
Formula Clean: Mesa Boogie F-100 combo (CH 1)
Formula Drive: Mesa Boogie F-100 combo (CH 2, contour off)
Fryman HB: Friedman BE100 head, HBE mode
Glacian Clean: Bogner Shiva combo, clean channel
Glacian Drive: Bogner Shiva combo, drive channel
Highway 103: Hiwatt DR-103 head, normal channel
Hot Kitty Clean: Bad Cat Hot Cat 30 (channel 1)
Hot Kitty Drive: Bad Cat Hot Cat 30 (channel 2)
Jazz Clean: Roland Jazz Chorus 2-12 combo
Legato Clean: Carvin Legacy VL100 head (clean channel)
Legato Lead: Carvin Legacy VL100 head (lead channel)
Marshell 45: Marshall JMT 45 head (high treble channel)
Marshell 50: Marshall JMP 2204 head
Marshell 800: Marshall JCM800 head
Marshell 900: Marshall JCM900 Model 4100
Marshell SLP: Marshall Super Lead 1959 (high treble channel)
Messe IIC+: Mesa Boogie Mk II C+ head (lead channel)
Messe IV: Mesa Boogie Mark IV head (lead channel)
Pendragon Clean: Grindrod Pendragon PG20C combo
Pendragon Drive: Grindrod Pendragon PG20C combo
Powerengle Clean: Engl Powerball II E645/2: CH1/Clean
Powerengle Crunch: Engl Powerball II E645/2: CH2/Crunch
Powerengle Lead: Engl Powerball II E645/2: CH4/Lead
Rector Dual: Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier head CH3/Modern
Soloist 100 Clean: Soldano SLO100 head clean channel
Soloist 100 Crunch: Soldano SLO100 head crunch channel
Soloist 100: Soldano SLO100 head overdrive channel
Superb Dual: Supro Dual-Tone 1624T combo
Superstar Clean: Mesa Boogie Lone Star combo CH1
Superstar Drive: Mesa Boogie Lone Star combo CH2
Tangerine A30: Orange AD30 head
Tangerine R100: Orange Rockerverb 100 head
Alchemy Pre: Alembic F-2B bass preamp
Ampage Classic: Ampeg SVT bass head
Ampage Flip: Ampeg B-15 bass head
Messe Bass 400+: Mesa Boogie Bass 400+ head
Voxy Bass: Vox AC-100 bass head

DRIVE-DIRT-DIST-FUZZ
Affinity Boost: Xotic AC Booster
Amore Eterno: Lovepedal Eternity OD
Bass Crusher: Boss OBD-3 bass OD
Beefy Boost: Xotic BB Preamp
Behemoth Preamp: Darkglass Microtubes B7K bass preamp
Big Pie: EHX Big Muff Pi fuzz
Black Tail: ProCo RAT2 (early LM308 version) distortion
Blues Butter: Marshall Bluesbreaker OD
Crunchist: MI Audio Crunch Box distortion
Death: DOD FX86 Death Metal distortion
Direct Touch: Barber Direct Drive OD
Dr Blues: Boss Blues Driver, Keeley-mod
FORCE: Fulltone OCD V3 OD
Golden Lead: 80s hi-gain British character distortion
Governor: Marshall Guv'nor OD
Grand Driver: Marshall Drive Master OD
Green 9: Ibanez TS-9 OD
Green Drive: Ibanez TS-808 OD
Grunger: DOD FX69 Grunge distortion
Infinity: Majik Box Fuzz Universe OD
Lemonade: DOD FX51 Juice Box OD
Magic T: Paul Cochrane Timmy
Metaland: described as "world's most popular heavy metal distortion" (but I don't know what that is)
Micro Booster: MXR M133 Micro Amp
Monkey Drive: Digitech Bad Monkey OD
Panana Lead: brown sound character
Plexi Crunch: 60s plexi character
Pristine Boost: Xotic RC booster
Purple Plexi: Wampler Plextortion plexi character OD
Rebel: Surh Riot distortion
Satisdrive: Fulltone Full-Drive 2 MOSFET OD
Screamood: Ibanez TS-9 w/Keeley Mod
SLO Lead: Soldano-inspired distortion
Smooth Dist: Boss DS-1 distortion
Solid Steel: bass drive
Spark Drive: Voodoo Lab Sparkle Drive OD
Super Drive: Boss SD-1 OD
Super Drive +: Boss SD-2 Dual OD
Swarm Drive: Providence SOV-2 Stampede OD
Tube Clipper: BK Butler Tube Driver OD
Tube Cranker: MI Audio Tube Zone OD
Tweedrive: tweed amp character OD
Voxy Lady: class A amp character OD
Yellow Drive: Boss OD-1
Yellow Drive T: Boss OD-2
Zen Garden: Hermida Zendrive OD

DYNAMICS
Blue Sustainer: Boss CS-3 Compressor-Sustainer
Comparoma 4: Keeley C4 4-Knob Compressor
Comprosso: Ross Compressor
Lucky Strike: Diamond CPR1 compressor
Squeezer: compressor, 6 params

Enhancer: Xotic EP Booster
FET Boost: Boss FA-1 FET preamp
Treble Ranger: Dallas Rangemaster
Creamy: woman-tone simulator

Gated Boost: gated boost "for Djentlemen & metalheads)
Noise Destroyer: ISP Decimator noise gate
Warden: noise gate

EQ/FREQUENCY
AC Simulator: Boss AC-3 Acoustic Simulator
Mic Lab: vintage mic filter (30s carbon, dynamic, 40s dynamic)
Guitar EQ 1: 5-band EQ (125, 400, 800, 1.6k, 4k)
Guitar EQ II: 5-band EQ (80, 250, 750, 2.2k, 6.6k)
Guitar EQ III: 5-band EQ (100, 500, 1k, 4k, 7k)
V-EQ: Mesa Boogie Mark Series 5-band
Bass EQ 1: 5-band bass EQ (33, 150, 600, 2k, 8k)
Bass EQ 2: 5-band bass EQ (50, 120, 400, 800, 4.5k)
Bass EQ 3: 5-band bass EQ (62.5, 125, 250, 500, 1k)
Bell: ring modulator, 3 params
Bella: ring modulator, 5 params
Bit Krusher: bit-crusher/sample-rate reducer
Telephone Line: thin noisy lo-fi phone line filter
Clean Octa: polyphonic octave up, octave down
Bouncy Q: EHX Bassballs "vocal-like" filter
Crier: auto-wah, 6 params
LPF: low-pass filter
Prof Q: EHX Q-Tron auto-wah
Q Filter: EHX Doctor Q envelope filter
Toucher: touch-sensitive envelope filter/auto-wah
Toucher B: bass touch-sensitive envelope filter/auto-wah
Crier B: bass auto-wah, 6 params
Dynamic Basso: bass envelope filter

MODULATION
Custom Trem: 4-waveform trem, multi parameters
Helicopter: Demeter TRM-1 Tremulator tremolo
Saw Trem: saw-wave tremolo
Sine Trem: sine-wave tremolo
Square Trem: square-wave tremolo
Tri Trem: triangle-wave tremolo

90 Phaser: MXR M101 Phase 90 phaser
Green Phaser: Boss PH-1 phaser, 1977
Stone Phaser: EHX Small Stone phaser v2
Twirl: "classic" stereo phaser
Twirl N: 3-notch phaser (adjustable bandwidth)
Twirl P: stereo phaser/tremolo/pan

Aozora Chorus: Arion SCH-1 Stereo Chorus
Aquaria: sine-wave chorus
Aquaria +: triangle-wave chorus
Aquaria M: stereo 3D chorus (left, middle, right controls)
Aquaria S: stereo chorus
Baby Blue: DOD FX60 Stereo Chorus
Chatter: detuner
Choruium: Boss CE-2 chorus
Choruium +: Boss CE-3 chorus
Choruium B: bass-range chorus
Choruium E: Boss CE-5 chorus
Choruium S: Boss CH-1 chorus
Clonic: EHX Small Stone chorus
Grand Choruium: Boss CE-5 Chorus Ensemble
Liquid C: Boss Dimension C 4-mode chorus
Liquid Dream: Voodoo Lab Analog Chorus
Spatial Ensemble: Maxon CS-550 Stereo Chorus

Jetter: classic flanger
Jetter B: bass flanger
Jetter N: negative-feedback flanger

Pulser: Boss VB-1 vibrato
Shiver: vibrato
Shiver T: vibrato w/touch sensitive pitch depth

Minivibe: Voodoo Lab Micro Vibe
Revolver: Shin-ei UniVibe rotary speaker hoax
Trem Jet: flanger & tremolo w/separate parameters

AMBIENT
Analog Eko: "vintage" analog delay, 20-1000ms
Backmask: reverse delay, 20-1000ms
Cross Eko: ping-pong stereo delay, 50-1000ms
Dual Analog Eko M: mono dual serial analog delay, 2x20-1000ms
Dual Mag Eko S: stereo dual tape delay, 2x20-1000ms
Dual Pure Eko S: stereo dual digital delay, 2x20-1000ms
Ekopress 80: Maxon AD80 analog delay, 300ms
Ekopress 900: Maxon AD900 analog delay, 600ms
Ekopress 999: Maxon AD999 analog delay, 900ms
Mag Eko: solid-state tape echo, 20-1000ms
Multi Eko: 4-head multi-tap, 12 variations, 20-1000ms
Phantom: sweeping filter delay, 50-1000ms
Pure Eko: digital delay, 20-1000ms
Recaller: EHX Deluxe Memory Man, 400ms
Recaller S: EHX Stereo Memory Man, 300ms
Space Eko: Roland Space Echo chorused delay, 20-1000ms
Sweetie: analog delay 20-300ms
Trem Eko: tremolo delay
Vintage Rack: 80s stereo rack delay, 20-1000ms

Room: room reverb
Hall: hall reverb
Plate: plate reverb
Izumi: "liquid" reverb
Northstar: bright reverb
Oceandeep: "immersing" overtone reverb
Sweet Space: lush reverb
Twist Verb: flanged reverb

COMBOS: 25 assorted dual-effect patches

CABS:
Adam 1x15: Eden EX115
Adam 4x10: Eden D410XLT w/4-10, horn
Ampage 8x10: Ampeg SVT-810E
Bad Kitty 1x12: Bad Cat w/Bad Cat custom
Baseman 2x12: Fender Blonde 63 Bassman w/Jensen C12N
Big Bang 1x18: SWR Big Ben w/SWR custom
Black 1x12: Fender Blackface
Black Dual 2x15: Fender Dual Showman w/JBL D130
Black Prince 1x10: Fender Princeton 65 combo
Boger 4x12: Bogner 412SL w/Celestion V30
Dizzle 4x12: Diezel w/Celestion V30
Eddie 2x12: Peavey 6505 w/Sheffield 1200
Eddie 4x12: Peavey 5150 w/Sheffield 1200
Engle 4x12: Engl Pro E412VSB
Freedom 2x12: Fryette FatBottom w/Emience P50E
Glacian 1x12: Bogner Shiva combo w/Celestion Classic Lead 80
Hacker 4x12: Hartke guitar cab w/aluminum cone
Highway 4x12: Hiwatt SE4123C w/Fane
HK 4x12: Hughes & Kettner CC412A w/Celestion Greenback
Jazz 2x12: Roland Jazz Chorus w/silvercone
Jim 30 2x12: Vox JMI AC30 w/Celestion Greenback
Mark 2x10: Markbass Standard 102HF w/2-10, horn
Marshell 2x12: Marshall w/Celestion Greenback
Marshell 4x12: Marshall w/Celestion V30
Marshell Basket 4x12: Marshall "Basketweave"
Marshell Lead B 4x12: Marshall 1960B w/Celestion G12T-75
Rector 2x12: Mesa-Boogie Rectifier w/Celestion V30
Rector 4x12: Mesa-Boogie Rectifier w/Celestion V30
Silver Twin 2x12: Fender SF Twin w/JBLs
Soloist 4x12: Soldano Slant w/Eminence Legend V1216
Superb 1x15: Supro Thunderbolt T6420
Tweed Chap 1x8: Fender Tweed Champ
Vibra 1x12: Fender Vibrolux
Voxy 4x12: Vox w/Greenbacks
Worker 4x10: SWR Workingman bass

"SIGNATURE" (combinations by the semi-famous)
Buzzsaw Beehive: bass overdrive & phaser
Byzantium: overdrive & delay
Drive Machine: "organic" smooth overdrive
Kingman’s Kitchen: Big Muff fuzz & delay
Mafia: violent shred distortion
Ripples in Time: trem & delay
Solar Skream: distortion & reverb

SPECIAL
Blank: noise generator
Eterno: 45-second looper
Path Filter: 4-step filter (S&H effects)
Satisfaction: tape saturation

FOR ACOUSTIC
Acoustic Refiner: acoustic enhancer
Acousticizer 1: AER Colourizer 2 acoustic preamp (EQ f1)
Acousticizer 2: AER Colourizer 2 acoustic preamp (EQ f2)
Freshly Squeezed: compression & verb for acoustic

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WOW! That's all stuffed into that?

Looks a little complicated, without anything labelled.

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Yes, you do have to learn what knob does what on the models you want to use regularly. Not all 6 knobs are used on all models; some use only 1, 2, or 3. LCD readouts under each knob to show the function of every knob in every model would be handy. But what would it do to the cost?

They do ship with a bunch of labels you can stick on if you use only a model or two.

WOW! That's all stuffed into that?

Well, no. Not all the models will fit in the pedal's memory at once (though my sense is more than 100 will). That's why it's software-based: huge library available at any time, use only what you need at the moment.

Also, in the app you can mark favorite models with a HEART (of course), then filter the listing to show only your hearted models. Makes for a shorter, easy-to-manage list.

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A very helpful list as the names for each in the Library are somewhat like "wtf is that?" thanks.

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Yeah, it was a journey of discovery for me too. (The app provides text descriptions for each model after you switch to it, but I don't know of a table where all the info is gathered together. Ah! Except here: http://www.musicpsych.com/d...)

But don't rely just on what we know of the modeled thing. I've learned to go through and try each program regardless what it's called. I don't claim any of them are dead-on, and I haven't done any side-by-side comparisons, because 1) I don't need models of things I already have, and 2) ultimately it matters less what it's called than how it sounds, and whether it's useful. I've been surprised by a lot of the algorithms.

Also spin all the dials, because the default settings are nowhere near optimal (to my ear and purposes). Typically, most are too extreme

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Good gravy, that list is ridiculous. My head is spinning just reading the thread!!!

Do you know if they have the manual online with all the descriptions? Like say, if I wanted to know if a CERTAIN compressor was modeled.... before buying it... I could go digging around, of course, just figured it's an easy ask/answer....

It is very interesting, and I've never seen a STOMP with that much crap in it (that's it capable of). Now all they need to do is add a voice command.... "Xstomp, load Carl Martin Compressor".... (Xstomp) "loading..... Carl Martin Compressor is loaded." Like Star Trek LOL

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There's a website devoted solely to the Xtomp.

Descriptions here: http://www.xtomp.com/xtomp/...

Ought to be a reasonably easy ask/answer, since my list above identifies every current algorithm and what it models, or how Hotone describes it if it's an "original."

Compressors include Boss CS-3 Compressor-Sustainer (which I hate in the model as much as I hate the original), the Keeley 4-Knob, the original Ross, the Diamond, and a 6-parameter Hotone original. The Diamond has snuck in during a recent update, and I haven't tried the model yet - but the original is one of my favorites (which I own), so I'll know.

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It'll be interesting to see how some of these models compare to the originals, for instance, will the Arion SCH-1 Chorus cop the Leslie vibe like the original, will the ring mod also do tremolo, etc. I'm sure the parameters are not quite the same as the pedal but if they are, that is quite a feat.

I should have mine today.

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Damn, they sent me a mini and not the standard sized one I paid for. Returned, expecting the right one next week.

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Interesting read. May just fill a need I didn't know I had ! What is the difference besides size and price between the mini and regular ?

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Functionally, stereo in/out on the big’un, mono on the mini. Then, details of construction.

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Differences also include: access to a limited number of special (2) pedal combinations, proprietory pedals and a looper pedal. I think it also has more memory.

Right now I don't really have suitable amps for stereo but the other additions make it worthwhile in my opinion to have the larger unit.

The mini is a standard pedal sized enclosure, maybe slightly narrower than standard but definitely thinner (not as tall). I havent actually seen the standard XTOMP but I imagine it is only a bit bigger than the mini and still pedalboard friendly.

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I assume the regular Xtomp has more memory, but I don’t find any information suggesting the mini can’t load all the algorithms from the library other than, perhaps, the dual programs. (Which I have no use for and haven’t loaded on either of mine.) Later today I’ll verify this, as well as the lack of the looper, which I also haven’t checked (because a 45-second looper isn’t very special anyway).

I bought the mini after I got the original, because there are SO many good algorithms that I foresaw putting the mini early on a board, for dirt, character, and other mono effects - and putting the stereo toward the end for stereo-capable modulations, delays, and reverbs.

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Confirmed: mini does not load the dual programs, but no problem with any of the others (whether Hotone original or replicants); the Eterna looper does not load into the mini. (And Eterna is a ludicrous name for a 45-second looper anyway.)


Dimensions:
• Xtomp: 5" x 2.5" x .75" (1.375" to top of actuator stomp); weight: 14.75 oz
• mini: 4.5" x 2.125" x 1" (1.5" to top of knobs); weight: 7 oz

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Xtomp with standard Boss pedal for size comparison.

Photo does a bad job of showing the satiny metallic texture of the zinc enclosure; note metal knobs haloed by glowing rubberized rings; colors of backlighting differ per function of knobs, and no light if a knob isn't used in a particular algorithm. The Coolest Stomp Button Ever (soft-touch, but with a satisfying click) has the larger backlit ring, which also changes color (and sometimes flashes) for status-indentification purposes.

Everything Hotone is Boss-level over-engineered, but with Apple-level elegant and modern industrial design - and as meticulously built as either, in equally elegant and handsomely-designed packaging. It's pure class in approach, execution, and presentation, with tech that just works.

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And the Xtomp mini.

Knobs here are translucent plastic, backlit from within their shafts. No ring around the stomp - but even it's sleeker than most pedals stomps'. SImilar to the stomps used on TC Electronic, Helix, other upscalier gear.

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Thanks for the stats ! It looks like the mini is more a middy in size. Hmmmmm.... do I go cheap and then wish later I hadn't, or go north for the whole monty and realize I didn't need to?


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