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Pickup change to Newark St. X-175?

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I've been drooling over the dogear SD custom shop staples, and imagining they might sound pretty sweet in my modern Guild. Question is, will they fit? Does anyone have any experience with either the Duncan pickup, or swapping out the Korean "Franz" pickups in the Guild? Not that they're bad, but I'm curious...

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The stock Franz repros in the X175 are not mounted like traditional Gibson-type dogears. Gibson style dogears are mounted to the guitar body by the covers. With the Franz dogears, the pickup itself is mounted to the guitar top and then the pu cover is mounted separately to the top. With the Franz pu's, if you remove the plastic dogear covers you will see that the pu itself is still mounted to the top via screws on each side of the pu. This is why Franz pu's are not easy to shim for height. That all being said I would assume that if the footprints are close, the guitar can be easily modded to mount the dogear SD staples. I personally really like the stock Franz pu's. Unlike many import "reissues" (which are just generic Asian pu's made to look like the originals) the MIK Franz pu's are very close to the originals in construction and tone (even more so than stock Gretsch Dyna's). I personally wouldn't change out the stock Franz repros as it is something I really like about the guitar but I'm sure the Duncan Staples would sound great also (similar to Dyna's).

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Also a fan of the stock pickups in mine - I haven't had a need to mod

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Thanks for the info, Gretschadelphia. The motive behind my post wasn't a dislike of the Korean Franz copies--far from it, I like them--but curiousity about the staples. I have a Les Paul with p-90's (Lollars, actually) and that scratches my P-90 itch for the most part. I was mostly just thinking about a vehicle in which to try the staples, that's all.

I think Walter has swapped the pickups in his Newark X175, but I think he put vintage Franz pickups in their places.

Rich, I'm glad you like your pickups--but that wasn't what I was asking about at all!

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The mounting hole spacing on a P-90 dog ear cover is 98mm/3.858". What's the spacing on the Franz cover? If they're pretty close, then I would think you'll have no trouble swapping them. Assuming the modern Guilds are routed similar to how the old ones were, then there should be plenty of room for the staple pickup's innards to hang down. Here's a vintage Guild rout for a Franz pickup.

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I've also been thinking of swapping the Franz pickup out, but for 2 Dynasonics in a T-50. Do you think the Dyna will cover the existing neck rout?

Reverb11, I think the dogeared SD Staples (neck) are much lower in height so you would shim it considerably! So maybe Dynas would be better since the have good height, I know they're not Staple pickups but they are kind of in the same realm of huge, clear and crisp.

I have a Lollar Staple neck pickup in my R6 Les Paul and TVJ Dynas in my DSV Jet, when comparing them the Staple has almost 1/3 of a bump in volume, It's the loudest pickup I own (louder than Mosrite!) and more bass presence yet it stays really clear and crisp. It almost reminds me of the sound of active pickups but with more (actual) mojo and musicality. That said, both Staples and Dynas will serve you the same if you are looking to get a big, clear and full bodied sound. Only reasons I would go with Dynas in a Franz equipped Guild guitar is the pickup height and the fact that Guild actually used Dearmond pickups in several of their guitars in the 50s and 60s, so it would be a little more consistent historically, so for the same reasons I'm going to put SD staples in my Epiphone Casino Elitist.

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Thanks all.

Afire, I appreciate the photo, and you're right-- I think the staples will fit.

Jazm, I hadn't thought about pickup height at all. It's a good thing that the modern Franz copies are pretty much the ideal height stock, because they are certainly not very "adjustable." My Les Paul (now that you mention it) has a Lolllar in the bridge and a Fralin in the neck (both P90's). Does the SD staple 90 in the neck of your Les Paul completely overwhelm the bridge? What do you have in the bridge?

What got me on this pickup swap kick was the fact that I am really digging the Dyna/T-Armond combo in my 6120DE and thought that I'd like to hear more of that big, snappy bass in some of my other guitars as well--and that led me to the Duncan staples. Interestingly, SD also makes a P90-sized Dyna that looks awesome. SD will custom wind the pickups to your personal tastes as well, so an underwound staple or Dyna is a possibility. I could keep one Franz and install one Staple and have the best of both worlds...

I will continue to mull it over. First world problems, eh?

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Yep, I have old Franz pickups in my Korean X175. I had them in my parts drawer and they weren't doing anything, and they're more like what I'm used to on my old guitars. The new pickups are pretty cool, but a little louder. I've previously had a pair of the new pickups rewound to vintage specs, and that got them awfully close to my old ones too.

Dogear Franz pickup covers have exactly the same pole piece ànd mounting hole spacing as Gibson dogear covers. Inspired by Gibson? Naaah!

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I've been drooling over the dogear SD custom shop staples, and imagining they might sound pretty sweet in my modern Guild. Question is, will they fit? Does anyone have any experience with either the Duncan pickup, or swapping out the Korean "Franz" pickups in the Guild? Not that they're bad, but I'm curious...

– reverb11

Reverb, I was wondering if you ever got around to putting in a Staple Magnet or P90 in place of the stock Franz pickukps? I ask because I have an X-175 as well and a Staple Magnet pickup and was considering doing so but have not. Not sure if I want to but I am considering it. With that said curious if you did it yet? Thanks

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Yes, tell us what happened! The reason I bought the Guild when they came out was that I also wanted to put the Staples in it. I ended up liking it as it is and left it in peace but now I’m curious again.

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Yes, tell us what happened! The reason I bought the Guild when they came out was that I also wanted to put the Staples in it. I ended up liking it as it is and left it in peace but now I’m curious again.

– Nick45

Nick do you have the blonde with Bigsby or sunburst finish model?

What strings do you have?

I have the sunburst. I would take either color but just so happened I got a deal on the burst finish.

I have Thomastik flats in .11. I am switching to .11 pure nickel D’Addario soon just for a change.

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ThePolecats, I never did get around to making the swap! In fact, I still have the X-175 with it's stock pickups, and the Duane Eddy Gretsch is gone... I must be a fickle thing, because I have been playing solid bodies pretty much constantly for the last year (Jazzmasters, Strats, Teles). My hollowbody guitars are languishing in their cases...

I've been playing in a 50/60's nostalgia act, and the volume of the gigs needs to be soooo quiet. I found that I was having trouble hearing myself at these very low volume levels, and the Fenders just seemed to cut through the mix better at lower db level-- even though I think the Guild is a pretty bright-sounding guitar. Anyway, I haven't forgotten about this, but it has been on the "back burner."

Actually, I was just looking at these the other day:

https://www.alegree.co.uk/p...

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Nick do you have the blonde with Bigsby or sunburst finish model?

What strings do you have?

I have the sunburst. I would take either color but just so happened I got a deal on the burst finish.

I have Thomastik flats in .11. I am switching to .11 pure nickel D’Addario soon just for a change.

– ThePolecats

That's pretty much exactly the same story here: sunburst, I added a B6, had it strung up with .11 TI flats until I changed to pure nickel Dunlops a couple of months ago. Either type of string is fine, I think, but I'm falling back in love with the full vibration of round wounds after having to really fight myself to not put flats on EVERY guitar I own for a few years.

As it happens, I was thinking about selling the guitar today because the neck is just a tad too small for my liking. We'll see.

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Yep, I have old Franz pickups in my Korean X175. I had them in my parts drawer and they weren't doing anything, and they're more like what I'm used to on my old guitars. The new pickups are pretty cool, but a little louder. I've previously had a pair of the new pickups rewound to vintage specs, and that got them awfully close to my old ones too.

Dogear Franz pickup covers have exactly the same pole piece ànd mounting hole spacing as Gibson dogear covers. Inspired by Gibson? Naaah!

– WB

Can you please tell the vintage specs of the Franz pkups?

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Reverb, I just bought these off eBay this morning. Should get it by Friday.

I have a Les Paul Custom with P90 clone. I bought a Duncan dog ear Staple Pickup but I couldn’t get it to fit the Les Paul because the Route wasn’t deep enough for the mechanism below the surface. Think tip of the iceberg. Returned it for a Dog Ear version for a hollow body I have. Took out the stock P90 pick up and put in the Dunkin staple pick up. Now I took it out and put some P90 that I got off eBay in. Now with the Duncan out I might put it in the guild if it’s possible.

Now this step pick up doesn’t have the big mechanism blew it because it’s not true the spec for a vintage model but it does have staples slugs in it so I’ll see how it sounds in my Les Paul clone.

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Nick same here I have been resisting putting on anything but flat wounds on the Guild. But for a change I will put rounds on just to hear the noted ring out and for a different feel. Anyway I have a vintage Kay with flatwounds on it.

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ThePolecats, be sure to post when you've had a chance to try the pickup out and let me know what you think. I'd appreciate, and thanks! I remain curious...

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ThePolecats, be sure to post when you've had a chance to try the pickup out and let me know what you think. I'd appreciate, and thanks! I remain curious...

– reverb11

Definitely buddy. I should get it by Friday I think. If I can solder it myself maybe be done by Sunday. My soldering skills are hit and miss. So if I have to bring it to a tech if I fail at soldering it will take longer of course.

Oh this was $65 shipping included.

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Can you please tell the vintage specs of the Franz pkups?

– Stefan

Old Franz pickups really are all over the place, but the ones I like most are from the late 50's/early 60's, and measure out 5K neck, 6K bridge.

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Old Franz pickups really are all over the place, but the ones I like most are from the late 50's/early 60's, and measure out 5K neck, 6K bridge.

– WB

Thanks Walter, but it seems I‘m not able to find a pair. After your experiences- what‘s the main difference vs. the reissued pickups besides the lower resistance?

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No real difference that I can see

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I didn’t install my Staple pickup in the X-175 but I did a dry fit.

The cover fits perfectly the holes for the screws in the cover line up with the holes in the guitar. I tried to drop the pick up in and it would fit but a little bit needs to be routed off or sanded off and it would fit. So I just may do that. Either myself or I’ll bring it to a guitar tech to do it. An actual P90 I’m not sure they’re the same size but who knows maybe it’s a little different but I Staple magnet pick up does fit with a little alteration.

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ThePolecats, looks good on there!

If it's not bad form to do so, can I ask the brand name of the pickup (or the name of the seller)? I tried doing a search on Ebay but didn't see a match.

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ThePolecats, looks good on there!

If it's not bad form to do so, can I ask the brand name of the pickup (or the name of the seller)? I tried doing a search on Ebay but didn't see a match.

– reverb11

Definitely not bad form Reverb.

Seymour Duncan Custom Shop made it. I bought one directly from them or I tried to but they only make batches of these things and they were out so I saw a seller on eBay from Texas who is selling them he had some in stock so I bought it. Originally I bought a soap bar because I was putting it in a Les Paul Custom clone but the route wasn’t deep enough so the man from Texas said I could return it and get the dog here instead. It was $225. I bought it a couple years ago and I had it in a L5 type of copy. The L5 copy is very nice but the Guild is much better so I put a P90 back in the copy and eventually I’m going to have this staple magnet pick up put in the Guild guitar.

JMI Music is the shop. I don’t think he sells on eBay anymore but he still in business and he’s a good man.

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Looks like it might not get close enough to the strings without an extra spacer, or is that just the effect of the photo?


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