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Let’s talk Baritone guitars.

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I was really smitten by the Squier Cabronita Baritone, it had just what I wanted: plain design, P90s, good and reliable maker. Now I’ve waited too long and they’re no longer available (in the UK?).

What alternatives are there? I find the Squier bass VI interesting, especially because it has a vibrato as well. But the scale is kinda inbetween a guitar and a P-Bass, so I’m not sure if it works as a baritone. The Danelectro and Electromatic offerings don’t really blow me away, and I don’t feel they’re as good value for money as the Squiers are (I may be unjust here, please correct me). Is there something I’ve overlooked? I would prefer single coils to humbuckers (because I’m not an animal) and a vibrato would be nice but isn’t a must. Advise away! Thank you!

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Altho I am not a baritone player I heard the Danelectros were pretty good and I think our man Proteus has good thang going w/ a Hagstrom baritone maybe like this one

https://www.hagstromguitars...

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I was really smitten by the Squier Cabronita Baritone, it had just what I wanted: plain design, P90s, good and reliable maker. Now I’ve waited too long and they’re no longer available (in the UK?).

What alternatives are there? I find the Squier bass VI interesting, especially because it has a vibrato as well. But the scale is kinda inbetween a guitar and a P-Bass, so I’m not sure if it works as a baritone. The Danelectro and Electromatic offerings don’t really blow me away, and I don’t feel they’re as good value for money as the Squiers are (I may be unjust here, please correct me). Is there something I’ve overlooked? I would prefer single coils to humbuckers (because I’m not an animal) and a vibrato would be nice but isn’t a must. Advise away! Thank you!

– Nick45

I’ve heard the Squire VM Bass VI are like my Squire Jazzmaster... change out the electronics and get a Mastery or Staytrem bridge in there, and you’ve got a great instrument. But it’s a Bass VI, which is a different beast from a traditional A- or B-tuned baritone. Robert Smith of the Cure has shown their usefulness, and they also have the legacy as a second bass for the tic-toc sound.

For Bartiones, I’ve only played a Danelectro and it seemed to do what it was supposed to do for a good price. The cabronita looks super cool, but I imagine has all the usual Squire weak points that will require modding for long-term reliability.

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Yes, well. Funny you should ask.

Not that I don't want to respond in detail here, but I've covered most of this ground - and more - in my low-going adventures over the past few months. I think you'll find lots of relevant information in these threads.

Baritone-specific
http://gretschpages.com/for...

http://gretschpages.com/for...

http://gretschpages.com/for...

Extended range: another way to go low
http://gretschpages.com/for...

http://gretschpages.com/for...

General Longer-scale Ergonomic Whines
http://gretschpages.com/for...

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Yes, well. Funny you should ask.

Not that I don't want to respond in detail here, but I've covered most of this ground - and more - in my low-going adventures over the past few months. I think you'll find lots of relevant information in these threads.

Baritone-specific
http://gretschpages.com/for...

http://gretschpages.com/for...

http://gretschpages.com/for...

Extended range: another way to go low
http://gretschpages.com/for...

http://gretschpages.com/for...

General Longer-scale Ergonomic Whines
http://gretschpages.com/for...

– Proteus

This is excellent, Tim, thank you for the compilation

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Do you like a real Bass Guitar scale, or do you prefer a dedicated Baritone? The original Danelectro and Fender Bass VI instruments were desigend as Bass Guitars....not to be confused with the 4-string Electric Bass, or the more recent 6-string Electric Bass. Bass Guitars had six strings, a 30" scale, and were originally tuned one octave lower than a regular guitar. These were used extensively on Rock, Pop, & Country recordings in the 50's, 60's & early 70's. In the 90's, Nashville session players started restringing their Bass Guitars and tuning them up half an octave & calling it Baritone. In recent years, a number of companies have started marketing dedicated Baritone guitars which usually have 27" or 28" scale lengths. The Squier Cabronita Baritone is a modern dedicated Baritone with a 27" scale. This is a full 3" shorter than the Danelectro, Gretsch, or Fender Bass VI Bass Guitars. If you prefer the Squier, you probably prefer the shorter scale. Look around for 27" Baritones, you'll find several. As for pickups...single coils will always have better tone, but are more succeptable to picking up hum from lighting systems etc.

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It's nice to have choices: A to A Gretsch, C to C Waterstone, or E to E Danelectro. I use the Danelectro most, but they're all cool.

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Do you like a real Bass Guitar scale, or do you prefer a dedicated Baritone? The original Danelectro and Fender Bass VI instruments were desigend as Bass Guitars....not to be confused with the 4-string Electric Bass, or the more recent 6-string Electric Bass. Bass Guitars had six strings, a 30" scale, and were originally tuned one octave lower than a regular guitar. These were used extensively on Rock, Pop, & Country recordings in the 50's, 60's & early 70's. In the 90's, Nashville session players started restringing their Bass Guitars and tuning them up half an octave & calling it Baritone. In recent years, a number of companies have started marketing dedicated Baritone guitars which usually have 27" or 28" scale lengths. The Squier Cabronita Baritone is a modern dedicated Baritone with a 27" scale. This is a full 3" shorter than the Danelectro, Gretsch, or Fender Bass VI Bass Guitars. If you prefer the Squier, you probably prefer the shorter scale. Look around for 27" Baritones, you'll find several. As for pickups...single coils will always have better tone, but are more succeptable to picking up hum from lighting systems etc.

– Billy Zoom

Good points you make, Billy. I guess I’m not that hung up on scale, I play double bass, guitar, mandolin and a few inbetweenies and I always find changes in scale length more exciting than annoying. I’m thinking that I should try the Squier bass VI if I can’t hunt down a Cabronita And maybe play around with string gauges and tunings. I think A-A might be enough for me.

The single coil hum isn’t really that noticeable in Europe, especially not if you’re at home.

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Nice guitars...Baritone envy happening....

I've searched twice now for a nice Dano Baro...still on the list.

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I've had a Danelectro Baritone in the past and wish I had one now. I also wish Danelectro offered the Coke bottle headstock on baritones right now but the current bari offerings are just the dolphin headstock.

If money we no option, I'd get either a TV Jones Spectra Sonic C Melody or a Grez Folsom custom ordered as a baritone.

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Wow, had to send me down the Grez rabbit-hole, didn't you? He not only nails my own gradually-realized theories about the resonance continuum from solidbody to hollow - and how it can be finessed - but he makes a baritone that's almost exactly what I wished for in another of my interminable bari threads. The Mendocino looks like a Jet (with a softer cutaway!), is fully chambered, and the right scale length. Could be a bingo.

Since it takes a year or more to get a custom build (and I'm sure I'll have to be a PITA about something), I have plenty of time to sell some firewood to get to the cost.

So...thanks for that.

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I ordered a Squier Bass VI. It’ll allow me an entry into Baritoney Land at a decent price and I can play around with it and see where that takes me. Thanks for all your advice, guys, it’s greatly appreciated!

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Many thanks Billy Zoom for putting those links up for Jet Harris, I love those recordings so much.... I gotta find Man with a Golden Arm before anyone else does

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Me too.... one of my greatest pleasures in life is firing up the Dansette and putting on my copy of “Besame Mucho” on single (thank you Ade. “Chills and Fever” on the B side). “Diamonds” too but the backing vocal parts on “Besame Mucho” are the dog’s watsits.

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When things were cool.

– Vince_Ray

Ohhh Yes!!!

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I’ve got a 45s of Besame Mucho and Diamonds that I used to spin at every available opportunity when I used to DJ. Jet Harris and Tony Meehan were somehow incredibly cool despite being in the Shadows.

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I think it’s the implied menace that oozes out of those discs.

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I believe Jet was an awful man for the drink, he always had a kind of haunted look in his eyes.

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I believe Jet was an awful man for the drink, he always had a kind of haunted look in his eyes.

– Tsar Nicholas

You can hear it in the records!

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Saw him a couple of times with the Rapiers. Yep, he'd been drinking, had to stop the show. I think he stopped in later life. British rock n roll was a bit soft and kind of happy clappy..... apart from Jet Harris.

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I just ordered a Electro Harmonix Bass 9. It has a Dano bass sim, including tremolo . Yes, it won't be the real thing but I'll just use it for a flavour of that style. Double bass sim too, har har!


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