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Has Anyone Installed T’Armonds in a Casino?

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I'm just curious if anyone has ever installed T'Armonds or other Dynasonic style pickups in an Epiphone Casino or a Gibson ES 330.

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Nothing is impossible depending how far you are willing to go to mod something...that being said, pu swaps on Casinos/ES330's are not easy due to the unusual height of the dogear P-90 covers needed. Even other dogear P-90's usually need modification (shims, reuse of the original covers, etc). I'm guessing regular mount T'Armonds will be too tall and even the T'Armonds in the soapbar covers would requier some significant modification of the guitar and leave exposed holes in the top.

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Interesting. I was unaware that the dogear covers were different on a Casino or 330.

I have a feeling that T'Armonds would sound great in them.

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If you check out the Lollar Pickups website there is a section of special instructions for fitting the correct size "Dogears" for Casinos/ES330's. There is really good info there with regards to pu height, etc. Because of the combination of neck set angle and arched top, the pu needs to be low profile, even for a dogear P-90. I'm lucky because my MIC Casino is the Ltd Edition '61 Anni and came with vintage wound Gibson USA P-90's. I certainly could imagine that a pair of Dynas would sound good in a Casino. Vintage Alnico "Staples" are apparently similar to Dynas, I wonder if the SD Custom Shop could whip together a pair in dogear covers that would fit a Casino/ES330? Would not be cheap however.

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I just found this nugget on the Lollar site:

The Epiphone Casino (and also the Wildcat) is a "whole different animal" although it looks a lot like a standard dogear set. On a Casino set we re-use both the covers and the chassis. We basically "gut" the pickup and build a new p90 into what you send us. Also, some of them were originally built with a clip type connector (usually white) on the lead wire. Make sure to include this as well. Also make sure to include your contact information. Turnaround time is around a week after we receive your items.

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Lindy Fralin has a special option:

NEW! Short Dogear P-90's

We now offer the Short P-90 dogear. This will fit 330's, 125's from the 50s and the metal covered P90's on Epiphones. Available in either single coil or the hum-canceling versions.

I'm not trying to shill for Lindy although I like his pickups, I'm just trying to clarify the problems with the Casinos.

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other option would be to get alnico v staple pups..like gibby used…they were based on dynas...seymours making them

cheers

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Alnico Staples might be killer......you would just need to be sure that the neck cover would be short enough; I don't believe the bridge dogears are as much of a problem (shimming up is easy, too tall is problematic).

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depends what casino we are talking about…the elitist or inspired by lennons used gibby pups…the mik, mic and now mia casinos have weird neck angle which causes pup height problems…btw those stock pups are wound with #43 wire..totally wrong for a p90!! which was 10K winds of #42

sure seymour d could accommodate, if you went the alnico V staple route

cheers

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I've been looking into this for my Sorrento and I think it is possible using TV Jones Dogear bezel along with a T-series English mount pickup. Although I could be wrong...

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Hey guys! Are you playing online casino games? Who tried live poker tables? I like playing poker but I am not very sure I will succeed in an online live game on richprize.com/games/asia. I am sure that there are a lot of nuances to know when participating in live games? Who has such an experience? Please share it with all of us. It will be a big help for every player.

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Hey guys! Are you playing online casino games? Who tried live poker tables? I like playing poker but I am not very sure I will succeed in an online live game on richprize.com/games/asia. I am sure that there are a lot of nuances to know when participating in live games? Who has such an experience? Please share it with all of us. It will be a big help for every player.

– doberso

It doesn’t even make sense to me. Those were two of the most prolifically produced P90 models coming out of Kalamazoo.

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it doesn't not make sense. there's rather more space between the top and the strings on an archtop which would use regular dogears than there is on a Casino/330. i expect that they tried the regular ones during prototyping but they were, derp derp, too tall.

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Vineham can make his Rockabilly pickup in a dogear mount.

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It doesn’t even make sense to me. Those were two of the most prolifically produced P90 models coming out of Kalamazoo.

– Afire

They're also the only P90 hollowbodies with a fixed bridge (I'm sure someone will be along to correct me).

If they were so prolific, why not design a special pickup cover for them? If you're gonna build a million of something, you might as well build it right.

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depends what casino we are talking about…the elitist or inspired by lennons used gibby pups…the mik, mic and now mia casinos have weird neck angle which causes pup height problems…btw those stock pups are wound with #43 wire..totally wrong for a p90!! which was 10K winds of #42

sure seymour d could accommodate, if you went the alnico V staple route

cheers

– neatone

My ‘90s MIK Sorrento P90s are much lower resistance than I’ve been lead to believe a vintage P90 should be. They run like 5.5K and a P90 should be about 8K. Fun guitar to play but not the tone I had hoped for. I will likely change them out one of these days.

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that's even low for a Franz P-90.

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i've never even been to a casino.

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i've never even been to a casino.

– macphisto

Haha! Good one macphisto. That's very admirable if it's true. I'm not much of a gambler but I have won some and lost more in various casinos over the years. I still have not had a gig in one though.

Over these 5 years I've really learned how to drive the Gibson P90s in my Casino. I don't think I would ever want to change them now that I've got a handle on them. I've even learned how to approximate a bridge Filtertron by lowering the neck volume in the middle position where the P90s are hum cancelling. I compared a Tennessee Rose with my Casino and recorded some bits on my phone and was surprised how similar I was able to get them.

The Gretsch G5422 is in my view the equivalent Gretsch guitar to a Casino. I'm also really drawn to their tones. Gretsch should make a version with Dynasonics or T'Armonds with the bridge pickup back towards the bridge like they do on the Pro Jets.


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