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Ed Roman and Mosrite Rights

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Ed Roman now is deceased but his store and website lives on strong. I am a big Mosrite fan but am part of too many forums so I have not yet joined the Mosrite forum. I think members here know so much about guitars that I think asking this here I will get good answers.

Well at Roman's web page it states that Dana Mosely, Hallmark, Eastwood and a host of others are not authorized to make Mosrites. I think only Dana of those listed makes Mosrites but the others have similar designs but not the name. Oh I think he had Filmore as another on the list.

Does anyone know if Ed Roman's actually really the only authorized Mosrite RI manufacture or is the late Ed Roman talking hot air?

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I have wondered how Eastwood got the rights to making all those 60s wacko models... everything old is new again, or in amps they guy making supro or the people behind the new magnatones.

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I don't know if it is the case here, but often people act first and ask questions later.

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I don't know if it is the case here, but often people act first and ask questions later.

– Ric12string

I was thinking the same thing. Make guitars in the old designs and see if they are ordered by court to pay up royalties.

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It's really too late to care anymore. Semie Mosely is gone, and with him the hope of any new "real" Mosrite. If you have to have a "real" one, buy vintage, otherwise get a Hallmark or one made by Dana, or Ed Elliott (former Mosrite employee) or any other make that suits your whims.

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It's really too late to care anymore. Semie Mosely is gone, and with him the hope of any new "real" Mosrite. If you have to have a "real" one, buy vintage, otherwise get a Hallmark or one made by Dana, or Ed Elliott (former Mosrite employee) or any other make that suits your whims.

– FritzTheCat

Agreed. If you can't afford a vintage then try Hallmark as they are as close to real as one can get since some original Mosrite workers work with them.

See Bob shade's response at Mosrite Fourum -

"As much as Ed Romans operation would like you to believe they are gods gift to Mosrite, they are simply a Japanese Mosrite dealer and always have been. Ed Roman knew very little about Mosrite actually when he started carrying them. Knowing I am a Mosrite expert he wanted me to write a history page for his website at one time, which I declined.

In Japan, anyone can make a Mosrite guitar and brand it with the Mosrite logo and sell it legally. That is why there are 3 companies making and selling Mosrite guitars in Japan. Therefore, there are no real Mosrites anymore other than the vintage examples. There are no key people from the Mosrite days working at any of these Japanese operations.

Ed Roman sold the Fillmore Japanese Mosrite guitars, and used the word "REAL" on everything he would advertise. Simply stating it is real does not make it authentic.

For a short period, Fillmore employed Dana Moseley (Semie's daughter who wound pickups for the Arkansas Mosrite operation in the 90's) assembling Japanese made Fillmore guitars and branding them with "Made in the USA" and charging a premium. They were simply assembled in the US, not really crafted here. Dana was let go recently and was apparently looked at as unnecessary as she was really not a luthier or a skilled woodworker and barely worked for Mosrite when it was the Arkansas location. In other words, it was a failed attempt to use a Moseley name to try to add legitimacy to the Fillmore operation.

Simply stating a Japanese Mosrite guitar is real, well, that is really up to the consumer to decide not the dealer.

My advice is if you want a real Mosrite, buy a vintage example that was produced with Semie Moseley running the operation. You can get one for the price or lower than alot of the Japanese offerings. You will have a better investment, and it WILL be real and original. Anything else is simply boasting and horn tooting.

Another option if you simply want a great playing and sounding guitar is to buy a Hallmark. We have had the guys who were at Mosrite at the beginning working here, Joe Hall and Bill Gruggett, Andy Moseley, Don Stanley and Ed Sanner (who is still with us). Even "The Ventures" Bob Bogel was at Hallmark at the very beginning. We make great gear that has the vibe, sound, and playability and come with a alligator hardshell case included in the price, that rival any guitar period, and charge a working mans price. Our customers tell me constantly that our quality can't be beat, and we could charge alot more and get away with it, but I refuse to. We do have an official Ramone model too. Not just pictures of Johnny playing one to make you think it is official like Romans site has.

Well enough of my blabbing, I hope this helps,

Bob Shade/ Hallmark Guitars"

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I've had both the Fillmore and KuroKoma built MIJ Mosrites and they are really nice guitars. Quality wise, I'd liken them to current Gretsch reissues, they might not be 100% exact to vintage spec, but very well built and typically play better (in most cases) then the originals. My only beef is the MIJ Mosrites don't really hold value. I've bought a few direct from Japan and lost my shirt when it came time to sell (one was even a high end Super Custom '63 I had autographed by Nokie Edwards).

Hallmarks are nice too and may scratch your itch, but if it must say 'Mosrite', then either pony up for vintage guitar or go MIJ. I've had a handful of vintage Mosrites, and save for a nice early '64 Ventures model, the Japanese reissues have all played better.

I'd stay away from Ed Roman's shop if it's still run anything like it was when he was alive. Total used car salesman sleezeball.

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Panhandle, great advice.

Right about resale value. Probably a $1,500 guitar new but used look at the price.

Wish I had this one rather than my Morales Mosrite -

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Exc...

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Fillmore in Japan owns the Mosrite trademark (this per the USPTO).

If "anyone" in Japan can build them, as Bob Shale says, then it's likely because "anyone" is licenced from Fillmore to use the mark.

The mark alone means something but that "something" can change over time. Here in London I was looking at bicycles and came upon a "Schwinn". My heart welled up a little at the name -- most of us here know what I mean. But the Schwinn now is just another Giant with a different name. Someone owns the mark, but it has little more than this to do with a bike once made in the USA.

Bob Shale is therefore definitely correct to say that Roman was effectively a dealer and nothing more or less. He just pushed the envelope in terms of his role in the chain.

I've not played a Hallmark or Fillmore / Japan Mosrite, so I can't comment. The original Mosrite pick ups from the 60s are near my favourite though.


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