Modern Gretsch Guitars

Similar to the Gretsch Duo Jet guitar?

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Hi, I wish to know if is there any guitar brand that may build something similar to the Gretsch Duo Jet guitar. Also, if you guys know the difference between Duo Jet body and Pro Jet body. Thanks a lot.

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DuoJet bodies are significantly more chambered than ProJets. And while the Duo Jets are solid mahogany, I believe the Pro Jets are basswood.

If I were in that market and couldn't stretch to reach the Duo Jet, I would look for a Guild Newark series Aristocrat. Much nicer than a ProJet.

Also, I am underwhelmed by the ProJet mini-buckers. So, if a ProJet, go for a newer one with blacktop FilterTrons. Very decent pickups. Can be found for around $400-$500. The older mini-buckers are cheaper, but wouldn't scratch any itch of mine. ProJets don't come with single coils, which I prefer.

Here is a guild in black for $900 o/b/o, so maybe a little less. Don't think you will find Duo Jet for less than $1200. A nicer guitar than a ProJet. Reissue Guild Franz (similar to P90) pickups are very very nice. But if you like the blacktop FilterTrons, a newer ProJet might do it for you. Some of the P90 equipped Epiphone Les Pauls are also nice and very affordable.

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Depends how "similar" you mean. The Epiphone Wildkat has a number of things in common with the Jet --- chambered mahogany body, similar body size and scale length, same control layout --- but sounds nothing like a Jet. Don't know if anyone's ever put Dynas or Filters on a Wildkat, and if so, what the results would sound like.

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Check out GP sponsor Street Sounds website. They have two really cool Electro Pro Jets listed that look especially nice if you don't mind double cuts. One is a semi-hollow special edition in red and the other a solid with an amber flamed top. The semi-hollow is probably as close as you can get to a real MIJ Duo Jet in an Electromatic. Either would be much better choices than anything else if you are looking for a Duo Jet style guitar. The Guild Newark St Aristocrats are amazing guitars but they are really small bodied hollows w/ sort of P-90 type pu's (IMO the Guild Franz pu's sound fabulous) and if you aren't married to a Duo Jet type guitar are a great option.

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Depends how "similar" you mean. The Epiphone Wildkat has a number of things in common with the Jet --- chambered mahogany body, similar body size and scale length, same control layout --- but sounds nothing like a Jet. Don't know if anyone's ever put Dynas or Filters on a Wildkat, and if so, what the results would sound like.

– Parabar

Yeah, you´re right, it does not sound like a Duojet at all! ...

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Do you know if they are X-ray pictures from the Pro Jet body? This could help understand...

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DuoJet bodies are significantly more chambered than ProJets. And while the Duo Jets are solid mahogany, I believe the Pro Jets are basswood.

If I were in that market and couldn't stretch to reach the Duo Jet, I would look for a Guild Newark series Aristocrat. Much nicer than a ProJet.

Also, I am underwhelmed by the ProJet mini-buckers. So, if a ProJet, go for a newer one with blacktop FilterTrons. Very decent pickups. Can be found for around $400-$500. The older mini-buckers are cheaper, but wouldn't scratch any itch of mine. ProJets don't come with single coils, which I prefer.

Here is a guild in black for $900 o/b/o, so maybe a little less. Don't think you will find Duo Jet for less than $1200. A nicer guitar than a ProJet. Reissue Guild Franz (similar to P90) pickups are very very nice. But if you like the blacktop FilterTrons, a newer ProJet might do it for you. Some of the P90 equipped Epiphone Les Pauls are also nice and very affordable.

– Strummerson

Yeah, that´s important as I love DeArmonds or kind of it.

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The new Pro Jets have a large hollow cavity that wraps around a solid middle. Consider it weight relief. Mine sounds like a solid body.

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I have (and completely adore) the Guild Aristocrat. I would agree it shares some sonic attributes with the Duo Jet (which I also have and completely even more adore).

But they don't share enough attributes that they're anything like interchangeable. I'm guessing both the pickup and the construction differences play into that.

And I have a Wildkat, but no. Nothing like in tone or response.

As far as I've been able to determine, nothing but a Duo Jet is much like a Duo Jet. (I haven't played any of the more completely chambered recent Les Pauls...but humbuckers.)

Pro Jets, more solidbody, different pickups. Not so much.

If you once play a Jet, it's Jet all the way
From the first smoky lick till the chords die away.

You'll spend a lot of time, money, and aggravation flying economy not-quite-Jets. Start saving now, and get the real thing.

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^ I agree completely.

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Yeah, that´s important as I love DeArmonds or kind of it.

– Miguel

If you really want Dynasonics, then save up for a DuoJet. Because nothing really does a DynaJet but a DynaJet. The Guild Artistocrats get you something different and from the same menu. But it's a different dish. Franz, like P90s, are pole piece pickups with a bar magnet. Dynasonics are magnet slug pickups. So a different vibe,

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DuoJet bodies are significantly more chambered than ProJets. And while the Duo Jets are solid mahogany, I believe the Pro Jets are basswood.

If I were in that market and couldn't stretch to reach the Duo Jet, I would look for a Guild Newark series Aristocrat. Much nicer than a ProJet.

Also, I am underwhelmed by the ProJet mini-buckers. So, if a ProJet, go for a newer one with blacktop FilterTrons. Very decent pickups. Can be found for around $400-$500. The older mini-buckers are cheaper, but wouldn't scratch any itch of mine. ProJets don't come with single coils, which I prefer.

Here is a guild in black for $900 o/b/o, so maybe a little less. Don't think you will find Duo Jet for less than $1200. A nicer guitar than a ProJet. Reissue Guild Franz (similar to P90) pickups are very very nice. But if you like the blacktop FilterTrons, a newer ProJet might do it for you. Some of the P90 equipped Epiphone Les Pauls are also nice and very affordable.

– Strummerson

Which Epiphones with p90s are good? I have been looking for a reasonably priced P90 guitar.

Also, regarding duo jets, I have had 3, and all of them had neck issues. Humps at either the fretboard extension or within the first position (both locations where the truss rod can do very little). I finally gave in and just had my latest one's frets taken down in the 1st position area a few thousandths and it now finally doesn't buzz. It feels like a compromise to have to do this on a 2k+ guitar, and I'm not happy about it. I don't know why it happens...maybe the headstock angle, thin neck, or thru body?

Make sure to go to a shop and test a bunch out and really learn how to eye a neck and test frets.

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Epiphones with P90's --- the Casino, of course. Full hollow thinline played by Lennon, McCartney, Harrison, Carl Wilson, Brian Jones, Keith Richards and many others.

The reissue Sorrentos from the 90's are also good --- basically a single cutaway Casino.

Riviera 93 --- semi hollow body (center block) with THREE P-90's.

Zephyr Blues Deluxe. No longer made, but if you can find a used one, they're superb --- 17" wide, deep hollow body with three P-90's, modeled after the Gibson ES-5.

ES-295 --- well made, though not completely faithful to the Gibson original. They do sound good though.

There are a variety of Les Paul and SG Specials and Juniors with P-90's, some good, some less so. I don't have a lot of experience with them since slab guitars aren't muchly my thang.

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Which Epiphones with p90s are good?

Easy answer, from my book: for "reasonably priced," the standard Casino. For still moderate prices, the more expensive Casinos. A great guitar spec: true hollowbody, thinline, P90s.

But, if you don't already have some P90 axes, be aware: P90s are very chameleonic, revealing differences in body construction and scale length that humbuckers and thinner single-coils either mask or override. So you can't really have one P90 guitar and have that flavor nailed.

Which is way of introducing the idea that you can get an Epiphone Less Paul with P90s, if Pauls are one of your things. I'd start with the Casino, though. More interesting.

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Which Epiphones with p90s are good?

Easy answer, from my book: for "reasonably priced," the standard Casino. For still moderate prices, the more expensive Casinos. A great guitar spec: true hollowbody, thinline, P90s.

But, if you don't already have some P90 axes, be aware: P90s are very chameleonic, revealing differences in body construction and scale length that humbuckers and thinner single-coils either mask or override. So you can't really have one P90 guitar and have that flavor nailed.

Which is way of introducing the idea that you can get an Epiphone Less Paul with P90s, if Pauls are one of your things. I'd start with the Casino, though. More interesting.

– Proteus

I only have a Gretsch duo jet and Jazzmaster. Both are sorta P-90ish but not really. I'd like a guitar with a true P-90.

I'm not a fan of the extreme headstock angle on the Les Paul (I think 16 degrees), where as the Epiphones have slightly less (13-14 degrees, like a Gretsch). Which is why the Epiphones interest me more, along with price of course. That Guild you mention looks very interesting, too...

Do years matter on the Epiphones or guilds? i.e. are the current production Epiphone Les Pauls/Casinos or Guild worse? If so, what are the prime years? Thanks, guys.

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Interesting comment on the Duo Jet necks on the Professional series guitars. I had the same experience with two newer Duo Jets. thanks John

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Interesting comment on the Duo Jet necks on the Professional series guitars. I had the same experience with two newer Duo Jets. thanks John

– powerwagonjohn

Same issue as in humps on both? Can you elaborate? What did you wind up doing with the guitars?

It's a real travesty. And there is a reputation as Gretsch's golden age right now... I don't know if that's based on reality and we're unlucky, or guitarists just don't know how to analyze their necks.

I am 0-3 with duo jets. This latest one is usable, but had to file down the 1st position frets, which imo sucks. The luthier said the frets were not within tolerance and he believes it was because the neck around fret 1-3 is up-bowed. The rest of the neck is perfectly straight.

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That's a shame and had to be really frustrating. I had a Dyna Jet (really regret selling that one) and the neck was fine with minimal relief and action of 4/64ths at the 12th fret on the low E and 3/64ths on the high E w/ no buzz (well after I ditched the stock bar bridge for a Tru Arc). My Power Tenny is perfect also and actually has some "fall away" at the fretboard extension. I think most folks who post on the GP would notice a fretboard hump if their Gretsch suffered from one. The MIC Electro Pro Jets don't have a floating fretboard extension so I would guess the chance for a hump is much less or could be fixed with a simple truss rod adjustment. I got a little worried about my Edwards Les Paul copy having a bit of a hump until I determined there was too much neck relief and tightened the rod a 1/4 turn and away went the fret buzz up there and the guitar plays and sounds amazing.

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The new Pro Jets have a large hollow cavity that wraps around a solid middle. Consider it weight relief. Mine sounds like a solid body.

– Fredo

So, would it be similar to Duojet body some how?...

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And another...never mind it won't upload.

– Fredo

try to send it, if you can.

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"Chameleonic". Well done Proteus.

Got me thinking about that Guild Aristocrat. Already been wanting one. Wouldn't it be cool if they came with dynas too??

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Got me thinking about that Guild Aristocrat. Already been wanting one. Wouldn't it be cool if they came with dynas too??

Aristocrat fever is powerful. When I first laid eyes on it, I was intrigued. Such a graceful shape, gorgeous in a perfect sunburst, a trim and demure princess. When I picked it up and it weighed nothing, I was riven with compulsion to go dancing. When it turned out tonally to be simultaneously elegant and as bad as you wanna be, I was completely enchanted.

The hook was well and truly set. It would be going too far to say I could think of nothing else, dream of nothing else til I could hold one of my own - I'm too old and been to too many balls for that - but I did give the pursuit and its contemplation considerable sustained time and energy. It took longer than I'd hoped to find an acceptable price from a trustworthy purveyor on the requisite sunburst - which only amplified the fever.

But everything was well worth it: the wait, the cost (a bargain at retail, in truth), the anticipation. Infatuation did not deceive, but grew into the real thing. A thing of beauty, they say, is a joy forever. That's no lie. Even now, knowing it rests in its case not 15 feet away produces a little inward glow of satisfaction, even something like peace and the cessation of restless desire.

Because I know that, however I might wonder (when I'm not playing it) whether it's really as good as I remember it, when I open the case (where, I'm sorry to have to say, it lay like a dusky jewel in its velveteen setting) and get it out, I'll realize it's even better. Happens every time.

Not many guitars truly and completely assuage the GAS pains of their wanting and getting, but for me the Aristo is one of them.


I agree it would be interesting with Dynas. I'm curious how that would sound, and hearing it would help me calibrate the difference between Dynas and the Franzeses.

But I don't think the guitar could be any better!

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Been lusting after an Aristocrat ever since I played a vintage one at a guitar show. $5K was a little out of my price range however. The new ones look great and the price is definitely right.

Another guitar in this sort of small/hollow/no F hole 'zone' are the Eastman El Rey series. Great guitars all SOLID wood construction with a spruce top and maple sides and back.


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