Other Amps

Haven’t had the ol’ CVR out in awhile.

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Just bought one! I don't have it yet, I bought it from my cousin who lives about 5 hours away, so we're going to have to schedule a meet-up for delivery... the thing is in mint condition, still has the hang tags. $400. Opportunity of a lifetime, even tho I don't even have the cash LOL.

The CVR is one I have been looking to own for awhile now, so I'll finally get to experience one. I don't even know which speakers his has... I'm guessing the ceramics, because the thing is in just pristine condition, that it must be one of the newer ones (the first ones came with alnico blue frames, I believe)

– ruger9

Congrats, bud!!!!

I’m curious to hear your first impressions.

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The modern Jensen P10Rs sound ok to me. The P12R sounds like playing guitar through a kazoo, though.

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The modern Jensen P10Rs sound ok to me. The P12R sounds like playing guitar through a kazoo, though.

– JBGretschGuy

Lol! That's what the C10Rs (in the PRRIs) sound like to me. Good description!

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While most will say a Fender 6L6 amp is very Bright, I think the CVR is exceptionally Bright.

And the Bright channel even more so...

I think the Beam Blockers tame that a bit, and knocks back any perceived 'Ice-Picking".

The P10Rs took a while to break-in, but I think they sound fine.

Mine is a 2007? production year model...

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"While most will say a Fender 6L6 amp is very Bright, I think the CVR is exceptionally Bright."

You're the only person I've ever heard say that. Not saying you're wrong, we all hear things differently, just that I've not read that anywhere, and I've read a TON of owner's reviews, being interested in buying one.

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The Moyer mods actually remove the cap in the Bright Channel Tone Stack with two-fold reasoning...

1) To knock down the Hiss from having both channels with Trem and Reverb

2) Too Damn Bright...!

Ha!

Maybe "Shrill" is another way to say it...

https://www.google.com/sear...

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No one said FENDER amps couldn't be shrill. Just that the CVR, being closer to a brown-era Fender circuit than a Blackface-era circuit, is LESS BRIGHT that the BFs. That's all.

And I find all the new Jensen alnicos to be quite shrill, regardless of the amp they are in. Unless they have been well broken in, anyway. New Jensens alnicos being harsh is a quite common opinion all over.

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Well, then, you are off to a good start with such a clean one!

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As to the "Fender too bright" thing:

Greg Koch has also admitted Fenders are too bright; when he uses the tweed Bassman RI, he says to turn the bass ALL the way up, the treble OFF, and use the MIDS control AS your treble control... "turn up the mids until you get the high end you want". And I thought I was the only guy who ran the treble OFF.

(keep in mind, these are at gigging volumes, not home/bedroom levels... at home/bedroom levels, you do need to open up the treble control).

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I'd say that across the many guitars I have that being heavier on the Bass and lighter on the Treble is the rule of thumb...1:1 versus Treble 2:1 as a starting point.

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Let me try posting that picture again of my former amp... it was a good looking piece of gear, as I mentioned earlier.

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As to the "Fender too bright" thing:

Greg Koch has also admitted Fenders are too bright; when he uses the tweed Bassman RI, he says to turn the bass ALL the way up, the treble OFF, and use the MIDS control AS your treble control... "turn up the mids until you get the high end you want". And I thought I was the only guy who ran the treble OFF.

(keep in mind, these are at gigging volumes, not home/bedroom levels... at home/bedroom levels, you do need to open up the treble control).

– ruger9

Your post made me so curious about those settings that I googled "koch/bassman/settings" and I found a clip on youtube where he talks about reissue bassman settings, and it confirmed what I was thinking - he's got the bass on zero, not on max. Most if not all Fender amps sound awful with the bass any higher than three or four, you get way too much mushy low end.

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I thought it was Jim Campilongo that was sans Bass on his Princeton?

In any case, one doesn't need to dial Treble twice as much as Bass on a CVR. Whatever the settings for a Strat, that would be the greatest separation heavy Treble I find pleasing.

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Your post made me so curious about those settings that I googled "koch/bassman/settings" and I found a clip on youtube where he talks about reissue bassman settings, and it confirmed what I was thinking - he's got the bass on zero, not on max. Most if not all Fender amps sound awful with the bass any higher than three or four, you get way too much mushy low end.

– WB

My bad- typo.

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I thought it was Jim Campilongo that was sans Bass on his Princeton?

In any case, one doesn't need to dial Treble twice as much as Bass on a CVR. Whatever the settings for a Strat, that would be the greatest separation heavy Treble I find pleasing.

– Twangmeisternyc

No. Bass on 10. and that is what no doubt confused me.

Campy is vol 10, bass 10, treble 6-7. Controll everything from the guitar. Many of his cleans you hear are vol on 10, bass on 10, with the guitar turned down, especially live.

However- he runs either vintage reconed C10Ns or Celestion Vintage 10s in his Princetons.

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If I turned the bass to 10 on my '66 Pro Reverb, there wouldn't be a wall on the other side of the room! Not doing any strumming, just fingerstyle.

'66 PR...…….V 4.5, T 4.5, B 2 Using my Gibson Gent '71 VR...…….V 3, T 8, B 2.5 Using my Super Chet with Ray Butts personally built pups

I never have the bass even half the treble on any amp with any guitar and it doesn't produce a bright tone.

Edited for making sense!

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I had been working on settings in the Rental Home before the move this last month.

I'll be refining everything in the New House over the coming weeks as we get the Music Room set up...

For my 6120RHH, using my Stack arrangement with both P10Rs and the C15N @ 2 ohms

Normal Low Impedance Input

V 5 T 3 to 5+ B 2 to 2.5 Rev 2+ Spd 2- Int 2-

Master Volume Full Open, Rhythm 80%, Lead Full Open, Center Mud Switch position

Byrdland

Stack and Normal Low Input

V 5 T 2.5 to 4 B 3 Rev 3- Spd 2- Int 2-

Rhythm V5 Tone 7.5 Lead V7.5 Tone 7.5

Super 400

Same Low Normal...

V 4 T 3 B 4 Same Trem and Rev as Byrdland

StratPlus set up for Slide Resonator

Same Low Normal Input

V 5 T 2 B 2 Rev 3+ Spd 2+ Int 2+

Controls All 10, I seem to like the Neck pickup the most...then both 2 and 4 equally.

I haven't jotted down the settings for the Kay Barney Kessel, but it sounds great cranked! The fidelity off the Kleenex Box pups is really different.

Then, the Epi Casady Bass

Bright Channel Low Input

V 2.5 T 4 B 8 Rev 2.5 Spd 1.5 Int 1.5

V 7.5 Tone 5

Only using the C15N

The Jack Bass likes the SS a lot, cleaner crisper tone versus the softer CVR sound, slightly different but similar settings through the Baggs Para DI.

The Adamas and the Kay Thin Twin are works in progress...

The Adamas is hard to beat - great sounding through either the CVR or the SS. It has a 5 position Microphone Image Preamp.

It likes the C15N, sounds fine with CVR, or the CVR as a Stack.

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Picking up my CVR on saturday!! Woohoo!!!

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Next time my wife will be out of the house for a while I'll need to move the CVR stack into the main living area...

The Music Room is fine, just a bit small.

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I had the Moyer mod added to mine. More headroom, lush reverb and bye bye hiss. I love this amp. Prior to the modding I was deeply disappointed in it. Now it’s my main amp


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