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Fender amps in The Modern World

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Well the Bassman, Princeton, Deluxe and tweeds are still around. Gone are storied names from the past, ie Showman, Bandmaster, Super Reverb, etc.. Surprised they still do a Twin Reverb -- all I am seeing anywhere are really nice silver panel ones pretty cheap. Plenty of choice... somewhere there is a demand or this would not be in the lineup. I heard the Bassbreaker models (I like the little 007) were a flop but they are still here.

Then there are also alll these Modern World models... and limited edition hi-end stuff

https://www.fender.com/prod...

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I do like that they are offering P-to-P amps again.

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What about the SS deluxe ?,,that's 'solid state.'

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I think for a long time, the Dual Showman was coveted by working guitar players who wanted to be Regarded as serious professional musicians. Not a budget model by any means. What today compares? Not sure anyone needs or wants that kind of headroom, or wattage, anymore. As for the Super Reverb, I still use mine at home when the mood strikes.

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Fender hand soldered amps are still the gold standard. Always a joy to play and work on.

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I haven't played my super in a few years. now I mostly play the vibrolux , or the stereo deluxe reverb I made. I tried the SS deluxe reverb, It sure was light but frankly didn't sound good, However I don't like an amp without a mid control.

i think if they're going to make it light they should make it smaller as well. Size does matter!

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Now that Class D is finding its way into instrument amps,all that Detroit Iron is looking as cutting-edge as a Seventies Cadillac 472,and feeling just as heavy. I do like it that the ToneMaster Twin and Deluxe Reverbs kept the BF cosmetics, while losing all the poundage.....If I still had my 95 pound 180 watt '76 Super Twin I'm sure I'd treasure it,but I'm just as sure it would stay at home.

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Dang never knew about a solid state Deluxe, but even the 22 watt model is too loud for me. I just went down from 12 watts to 9 watts.

I have a/b/c a 6 watt Champ, 9 watt Musicmaster bass, and 12 watt Princeton and there is a difference.

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Fender hand soldered amps are still the gold standard. Always a joy to play and work on.

– Powdog

But they haven't made a VibroChamp Reverb

Which is what Our World Needs.

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the trend as we all get older is towards lighter more portable amps..who can lug a dual showman head and cab around these days?!!

fender princetons..which were once considered almost a student amp, are now most sought after

fender just released a pricey hand wired version

cheers

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I have a '65 Bandmaster with a single 15 as my desktop amp! It's way more than I'll ever need, but still sounds great at low volumes.

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But they haven't made a VibroChamp Reverb

Which is what Our World Needs.

– DCBirdMan

One of these days....

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never knew about a solid state Deluxe, but even the 22 watt model is too loud for me. I just went down from 12 watts to 9 watts.

If by "solid state," you mean the new Tone Master series, the Deluxe version dials down to .2 watts. Probably low enough for you.

And in side-by-side tests, more than half of blind listeners prefer the Tone Master to the tube model. Having heard them live - and owning a blackfaced (and JB-modded) SF Deluxe - I do too.

https://shop.fender.com/en-...

Unless the thread is for tube nostalgia...in which case that train has left the station, and I missed it.

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never knew about a solid state Deluxe, but even the 22 watt model is too loud for me. I just went down from 12 watts to 9 watts.

If by "solid state," you mean the new Tone Master series, the Deluxe version dials down to .2 watts. Probably low enough for you.

And in side-by-side tests, more than half of blind listeners prefer the Tone Master to the tube model. Having heard them live - and owning a blackfaced (and JB-modded) SF Deluxe - I do too.

https://shop.fender.com/en-...

Unless the thread is for tube nostalgia...in which case that train has left the station, and I missed it.

– Proteus

I had a Blues Cube with that lo-power thing and it sounded squishy. Maybe Fender is better. I don't have tube nostalgia-- but there is no solid state amp for me 15w max 1-12 trem rev and NO phony lo-volume distortion gimmicks, no tone modifications besides bass and. treble.

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The DR Tone Master has exactly the same control complement as the original plain-ol DR. No mastervol tricks for low-volume distortion, no extra tone control. I can’t answer whether it’s squishy at low power settings. But I’d think it worth checking out given your ideal spec brief.

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Well I am not stuck in the 60s ... will give one a test drive.

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I don't think the TMDR gets squishy at low volumes, but I think you lose some of the high end. It's pretty standard across all wattages, just gets quieter. lol

I have already accidentally left it at practice volume (wattage) at a gig - it was miked but it just didn't cut through - at the gigs before this one the sound guys plugged into the XLR so it didn't matter what stage volume was as much.

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"The DR Tone Master has exactly the same control complement as the original plain-ol DR. No mastervol tricks for low-volume distortion, no extra tone control. I can’t answer whether it’s squishy at low power settings. But I’d think it worth checking out given your ideal spec brief. "

Tim, you're right that these amps are worth checking out since each guitar does indeed hit a different "sweet spot." As you might recall, I bought a 2002 Gibson L-4CES just before Christmas. What you don't know is that, while I really liked the way the guitar played and its' inherent acoustic sound, I just couldn't get the sounds that I wanted with my Carr Rambler, Blackface Princeton or Gibson GA40. So, in a fit of pique, about 3 weeks ago out came the Fender Vibro-King. I was really close to a double hernia moving the beast but reached complete nirvana when the guitar was plugged in.

Nothing, and I mean nothing, tops the sound of an analogue pickup guitar with a well designed tube amp with great set of tubes. Absolute Magic.

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But they haven't made a VibroChamp Reverb

Which is what Our World Needs.

– DCBirdMan

I did. But just once. And I wish I still had it. Kinda.

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Getting there.

– Powdog

I think You'll like it, Ethan! I had big trannys in mine (30 watt single-ended OT) and ran an EL34. But nowadays I think I would do one 6V6 or maybe two in parallel.

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I already have an old Vibro Champ that I added reverb to. I’m really going for punch and headroom with this one.

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I already have an old Vibro Champ that I added reverb to. I’m really going for punch and headroom with this one.

– Powdog

I’d love to see more of it in the Workbench section!

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I must be the only person who liked the Bassbreakers! I forget which one I tried but I thought it sounded amazing for a mass-produced modern Fender.

I gigged with a Vibroking for a few years and at the time didn't find it so heavy - I might now! In the end I traded it for a SRRI and liked the Super much more.

I am looking forward to trying the new digital Deluxe Reverb - but I never really liked the tube ones so I'm not expecting to love it. The Super is pretty much the only BF Fender I have ever liked. I'm kind of ambivalent about digital amps - I like the idea of a lightweight amp capable of sounding good at ultra-low volumes but I have spent years learning how to build the best-sounding amp for me that it feels like I'm throwing all of that away. Plus I like getting in there and tweaking parts which is not really the digital way...


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