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Acoustic Rig

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Just received my Pine Box...

Add to that a pair of Jensen P10R's, a pair of Weber Beam Blockers, an LR Baggs Para DI, and an Atlas PA601 Power Amp...

I'll put a set of plain furniture legs on to add some height, going for a 50's Retro look. Might use cane for grille cloth...need to shop around a little bit.

The Adamas has it's own Pre-Amp and Tone Control.

For the others I have the Baggs, a PUTW undersaddle Piezo and a Barcus Berry. Need a Rhythm Chief and an M1.

With the ears failing it's nice to hear yourself through an amp placed across the room...great to be able to listen as if another is playing.

This is my next, keep myself busy, 2019-2020 project, along with getting the Music Room finally rearranged.

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Some good lookin' woodwork there-- you have this all planned out.

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Personally I prefer piezo soundboard transducers (like K&K, Baggs I-Beam etc....) to piezo UST pickups. The rest of your rig looks great.

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I'll end up with every kind...

Still staring at my options, and if I want to suspend mount the Atlas underneath...I plan to start testing with the box upright.

Legs on order, need those to figure the spacing.

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I wouldn’t have thought P10Rs for an acoustic rig. Curious to see how they respond.

Looks like you have it all figured out. If you do need any local cabinet shop help or access to one, my door is always open.

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I'll start with those, just didn't want another 15" cabinet.

I used to jack the other, now unreliable, "WhisperClear 50" SS head to them...the ceramic C15N probably was more appealing, but they sound fine.

Swapping speakers is easy...a C10R on top is a real possibility, too, best of both worlds...bright and warm.

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I gotta stop perusing the Pages with exhausted late night blurry vision. I thought you had an acoustic pig. Made me wonder what an electric pig sounds like.

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Phase One successful...

Now to put new RCA connectors on my current PickUps...

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Sounds of the 70's...the Barcus Berry on a 1973 Giannini AWS-740.

I need to try a few different spots, BB's are always very trebly.

I think this BB Outsider is actually a Crystal? not Pressure like a Piezo....

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Pick-Up-the-World undersaddle piezo on the 1912 Gibby L1...much purer sound reproduction.

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At least a dozen years ago I figured how to wedge the Barcus Berry Outsider between the saddle and the bridge on the Epi Emperor. I didn't have the gear I have now. I couldn't get a good EQ.

But now I can, and I like that big, maple body/spruce top 80/20 clarity versus what I know the Rhythm Chief tone will be with SS or Nickel Flats.

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And the made-to-order PUTW undersaddle L1 effort is much better than my last one a decade ago.

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I think I will try the DiMarzio "Black Angel" passive for the Dreads and the OO...

Seymour Duncan has the "Woody", and DiMarzio also has the Virtual Acoustic and Super Natural Plus...

Anybody own any of these?

I'm choosing to stay with the "no holes/no marks", easy on/off mount.

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Sounds of the 70's...the Barcus Berry on a 1973 Giannini AWS-740.

I need to try a few different spots, BB's are always very trebly.

I think this BB Outsider is actually a Crystal? not Pressure like a Piezo....

– Twangmeisternyc

Piezo is crystal.

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You can get more realistic acoustic sound with piezo pickups by using some impulse response modeler. For recording you can do this with software plugin in DAW (e.g. Logic Pro has the space designer). For live e.g. Mooer Radar pedal. This will allow you to load impulse response of acoustic guitar. 3 Sigma audio has some great IRs that model acoustics of Martin, Gibson, Taylor etc. guitars. No more piezo quack.

http://www.3sigmaaudio.com/...

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I gotta stop perusing the Pages with exhausted late night blurry vision. I thought you had an acoustic pig. Made me wonder what an electric pig sounds like.

– Proteus

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Black Angel on the 1962 00-21NY sounds great...adjusted pole pieces for volume, hardly any EQ adjustments.

The best part about all of this is hearing yourself play from across the room, great to gauge technique.

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I have a few of these 1959 Jensen “old level sophistication” speakers if you want to A/B them.

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I'll try...

Next I'll mount horns on the top and sides!

They need to be 10" and 8 ohms...still looking those up on Google...only seeing the 12".

EDIT: I just ordered a couple of QMS CD's...Anthology and Happy Trails!

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The supplier asks that one demo the speakers before installation...listening to NPR.

Sound just fine...music cassettes are next, then CDs, then Vinyl.

I'll do this for a couple days.

Now the pickups, the amp, and the speakers all go well above any Hz that matters.

Of course, if I start wiring in Series/Parallel I can still add Horns.

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And I received yet another simple piezo to try out...

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Just finished the grille with burlap/jute material.

I figure the cabinet will end up painted in cream tone like the Pine. Legs will get stained, When I was a toddler we had a similarly-styled TV with a pull out panel that would fold down to cover the CRT.

My earliest memories are playing around that set, it being all warm from the tubes, and turning the TV off and on to get my father all riled up. My wife pulled that photo out earlier this year, I think I'm 20 months old based on the date the film was processed.

The new speakers are quite a different animal. Full Range speakers are being used more in monitors and in gear used to reproduce MIDI effects. FRFR is the acronym...flat response being the goal. These have a little bit of a dip @ 600hz, but the acoustics seem to easily make up for it. The LR Baggs Para DI does a great job with the new amplifier...it took a while to figure what sounds best.

The amp has a Loudness button that was needed with the P10R's I first set up...not at all with the PRV's. It gives quite a boost at the low end...too much. The cabinet open back design likes a bigger space, too. I'm thinking I'll mod the back panels with circular cut-outs to better match the drivers. I think it will improve the overall sound. Still need to try positioning into the corner of our main living space.

The amp has a Line Out, but when I mic things down I'll run all into separate channels then mix. So, one will be the EQ from the Baggs, the other the mic up against the instrument being EQ'd from the Tascam, and the third being the mic in the room to the Tascam.

I've tried a couple different set ups on the old Acoustics...no doubt the PUTW undersaddle piezos sound best. I ordered a new one to fit the Epi Emperor, matching the L1.

The Barcus Berry started to fail from age and use, and the KNA is a rattle-trap for extraneous noise although is doesn't sound all that bad. The DiMarzio Black Angel is wonderful but not necessarily as acoustic sounding as one would deduce. Very nice tone though to be mixed in with multiple tracks.


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