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Gretsch Sighting in New Movie - how is it for historical accuracy?

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Just watched a new 2018 Christmas confection with the grandkids on Netflix. Perfectly entertaining feel-good movie for kids and tweens and their adults.

Kurt Russell plays Nicky Claus in Christmas Chronicles, and in a great jailhouse rock scene (you'll have to see it), presents a couple of incarcerated miscreants with their gifts from 1971 - a sunburst Casino and a two-tone Gretsch Anniversary. Both guitars are introduced by name and given a surprising amount of screen time, with some headstock and close-up playing shots.

The Anni guy appears to play funky blues rhythm to Casino's lead - but he's on the neck pickup at full mud. So it might not have been recorded live...

It's pretty clearly actually a new Anni in the movie. But my historical question: two-tone green Anni in 1971?

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I don't know about your Annie , Tim, But I saw one of the worst" wrong guitar for the time era in a movie" mistake today. I was watching "Ode to Billy Joe" today-( I know, just a so-so movie, but I always liked Glynnis O'Connor), plus I lost my cable, phone, and internet for most of today, and I was killing time. Anyway I couldn't believe someone had an Ovation acoustic in the Jamboree scene of a movie set in the '50s.

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I don't know about your Annie , Tim, But I saw one of the worst" wrong guitar for the time era in a movie" mistake today. I was watching "Ode to Billy Joe" today-( I know, just a so-so movie, but I always liked Glynnis O'Connor), plus I lost my cable, phone, and internet for most of today, and I was killing time. Anyway I couldn't believe someone had an Ovation acoustic in the Jamboree scene of a movie set in the '50s.

– Twom

Ugh. That is terribly lame, isn't it?

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I don't know about your Annie , Tim, But I saw one of the worst" wrong guitar for the time era in a movie" mistake today. I was watching "Ode to Billy Joe" today-( I know, just a so-so movie, but I always liked Glynnis O'Connor), plus I lost my cable, phone, and internet for most of today, and I was killing time. Anyway I couldn't believe someone had an Ovation acoustic in the Jamboree scene of a movie set in the '50s.

– Twom

Wow, that’s way up there on the poll, alongside Gary Busey playing a 70s Tele custom in «the Buddy Holly Story». Sadly, it’s just us guitar geeks who notice these things... :-p

Anders

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Everything else in “The Buddy Holly Story” was wrong. Why would they get the guitar right?

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TV and the movies aren't too concerned with historical accuracy. Saw a show about black American troops in France in WWI---using flintlocks. Another had a mailman wearing a uniform that was 50 years too new. Considering all of the times reality is stretched, historical accuracy doesn't seem to be a major issue. It does seem that only those of us with an personal connection are really bothered by this.

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Casino guy = Little Steven.

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Tim, never seen a 2 tone from the 70s.

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20 million streams of this movie as of this week.

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In the context of this movie - a professionally rendered but by-the-playbook sentimental live-action comic-book fantasy about Santa Claus making the rounds in 2018 - I’m not about to get exercised about the anachronistic placement of a guitar.

Whether it’s period-accurate for 1971 is irrelevant. In fact, it’s easy to argue that Kurt Klaus may have been able to actually reproduce (or find) a 1971 Anniversary - but given the constraints (there he was locked up in jail and had to come up with something FAST), it was easier for him just to magically transport a current model that was in stock at a greater Chicagoland Guitar Center.

Either way, it’s just a hoot to hear the words “two-tone Gretsch Anniversary” in movie, then see said guitar in its eye-catching glory, sometimes close-up, for several minutes. That’s GOTTA be worth gobs to the Gretsch establishment in the way of product-placed advertising. I’m sure Joe et al knew it was coming, but it was tons of fun coming as a surprise. Aside from its promo value, I think it’s also an indicator of Gretsch’s rising profile (which we should be used to by now, I guess).

I was just calling the movie to y’all’s attention.

And since I understood dear Santa to say it had been a Christmas gift in 1971, I got curious whether the two-tone green was a thing in that year. I didn’t think it was. (Of course Santa in 1971 could have been gifting a nice used guitar, if that’s what was on a kid’s list, even if the exact model wasn’t currently in production.

I mean, everyone knows Santa can do anything.)

I thought it was cool that the Epiphone Casino got a call-out too. “Electric guitar” in a movie generally means a Fender or a Gibson. Obviously someone involved in the production was a bit of a guitar geek.

But yeah, an obviously anachronistic instrument (or car, or appliance) in a period movie that presents itself as historical always annoys me. Because after you notice that - from a field of interest you happen to know something about - you have to wonder what else is wrong in all those areas about which you’re less informed.

Because what if they use, like, a 23rd-century phaser in a Star Trek prequel set 100 years earlier? How could you trust the rest of the story?

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I thought it was a great special twist and made the movie that much more fun for me. Saw the first glimpse with the guitar in the background and thought "that looks like" and then the camera turned away, then another "some kind of Gretsch" then they finally came to the scene where they called it out. Usually my favorite Kurt Russell Christmas movie is The Thing but this year a Gretsch giving Santa wins out : )

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I liked it. Didnt care that the year was wrong, happy the guitars they chose were Gretsch!

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Casino guy = Little Steven.

– Mr Tubs

Just watched it too,pretty good I thought. And yep that’s Stevens entire band in that scene..Disciples Of Soul.


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