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Which Beatles tunes has Harrison played the Duo Jet on?

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Please Please Me is the very specific sound I got every day at home playing '50 gretsches ! IMHO 90% it was the neck jet pickup !

But (besides our ears) there is much evidence (out-takes, stereo mixes, in studio photographs...) compiled by insanely hardcore Beatle fanatics that indicate it was George playing his Gibson J-160 on the "Please Please Me" song. And remember the acoustic J-160 is not just an acoustic guitar. George was playing it plugged in -- a very rock sound from that guitar. Most people don't realize that the iconic classic rocker "Twist And Shout" was actually recorded using those acoustic guitars (plugged in). Those J-160s plugged in can be ripping electric guitars.

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These conversations always lead me to a puzzling question-

If all the various Gretsch pickups sound so distinctive, why is identification so confusing?

There are very few variables at play here- same player, same band, same studio, same producer, same amplifier. The playing field could hardly be more level or fair.

– ade

That is an excellent post.

We should all learn from U2's The Edge's School Of Guitar Methodology: Edge can play a Gretsch White Falcon, a Rickenbacker 12 string, an Epiphone Casino, a Fender Stratocaster...and all those guitars sound exactly the same on U2 records!

Us guitar buyers nitpick and obsess over various pickups, string gauge, wood type searching for that perfect tone....yet in the end we can't tell the difference between a Gretsch Duo Jet or a Gibson acoustic used on a record!

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Btw the Edge used to play the guitar through dozen of effects racks and delays ! That's smooth things a little...

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Again, according to Dhani Harrison, who had fairly good inside information, it was the DuoJet that was played on Please Please Me and Twist and Shout.

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There's a segment of the Beatle Geek population that's convinced that the J-160E was used on just about everything. I'm not one of them. But I do agree that it/they were used more than one might initially expect.

I have no trouble believing George played the Duo Jet on Twist and Shout. I wouldn't have guessed it on Please Please Me, but I could be wrong. You can get some pretty fat tones from the neck pickup of a Duo Jet. And it's likely that Lennon is playing a J-160E on both of those songs, so that makes it even harder to really say.

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Again, according to Dhani Harrison, who had fairly good inside information, it was the DuoJet that was played on Please Please Me and Twist and Shout.

– Deed Eddy

But George also stated in the Anthology interviews that the Beatles used an eight-track machine to record Rubber Soul. (They rather famously used four-track machines until the White Album.)

Most people are busy living their lives, not memorizing every detail of everything they do, and that's true of the famous and accomplished, as well. Probably more true of the famous and accomplished, because they do so much, meet so many people, etc.

All of our memories are suspect. I know mine is.

Paul/FF909

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Great post, Frequent Flyer.

When it comes to all things Beatles, ironically The Beatles themselves are not ones to look to for accurate info. As you pointed out, they were living it, not taking notes on what guitar was used in what amp for what song. George doesn't even recall if he played on "And Your Bird Can Sing"! Paul had to clear that up.

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Again, according to Dhani Harrison, who had fairly good inside information, it was the DuoJet that was played on Please Please Me and Twist and Shout.

– Deed Eddy

Why is Dhani the final word simply because of his relation to George? Should Yoko be the final word on Beatle things? Stella McCartney? Zack Starkey?

I would trust the word of Beatle assistants Neil Aspinall, Mal Evans, or engineer Geoff Emmerick, or producer George Martin over Dhani Harrison anyday.

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I can guarantee you that Stella, Zak, and Dhani have knowledge that is unimpeachable in the realm of "Beatle things". And yes, Yoko should have the final word.

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yes, Yoko should have the final word

Well, game over, folks. We finally found the one person on Earth who actually feels Yoko is an integral part of the Fab Four. Not only an integral part, but "the final word" on Beatle questions and matters. Wow.

Come on. Now Yoko is the go to person, the "final word," for what guitar John played on "Ticket To Ride"???

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The Beatles themselves are not ones to look to for accurate info.--Spiritwalker

Some years back, Paul McCartney mused on the idea of writing an autobiography and said if he was going to do it, he needed to get started, because, he said pointedly, "The memory goes."

I considered (but decided against) adding to my previous post a personal illustration of malfunctioning memory: at that moment, I was struggling with a kidney stone (passed it this morning, thank goodness!), and it was my second one to deal with. The thing was, I was going to write, I couldn't remember if the first one happened three or four years ago.

This morning, I found a dated photo of the first one.

It was five years ago.

As for the present Duo Jet discussion:

My only point is that it is prudent to take 30-plus year-old memories with some measure of salt when uncertainties present themselves. I'm pretty indifferent to which guitar was used where and when. I do, as a huge fan and an awful guitar player seeking to improve, find it interesting; and the lead guitar sound on PPM and T+S is not, to my ears, at all identical to the songs on the Please Please Me album on which the Duo Jet's use is not in question (that sound is pretty consistent). But it's nothing to invest in one way or the other.

Paul/FF909

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Now Yoko is the go to person, the "final word," for what guitar John played on "Ticket To Ride"??? --Spiritwalker

Sure. Why not? Yoko wasn't just married to him. She is a bigger Beatles fan than any of us can.... aaahh... imagine; she just doesn't let on about it as much. Over the years, her thoroughness in handling Lennon's affairs and estate evince a likelihood that she's performed due diligence on everything about him––his clothing, scribbled lyrics, guitars, you name it. She knows a lot. Possibly everything.

And her curation of Lennon's work and legacy is, in my opinion, beyond reproach.

Paul/FF909

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And her curation of Lennon's work and legacy is, in my opinion, beyond reproach.

Oh, yeah? Ever listen to Yoko's half of the songs on the album "Double Fantasy"? With those seven song she did so much damage to John's legacy that I now believe Ringo was the heart and soul and main creative force in The Beatles.

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I'm sorry, guys. This really took a turn and I didn't mean for that to happen.

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yes, Yoko should have the final word

Well, game over, folks. We finally found the one person on Earth who actually feels Yoko is an integral part of the Fab Four. Not only an integral part, but "the final word" on Beatle questions and matters. Wow.

Come on. Now Yoko is the go to person, the "final word," for what guitar John played on "Ticket To Ride"???

– Spiritwalker

I'm gonna go on record here and say you owe Deed an apology. I'll wager I'm not the only one who feels that way.

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I'm gonna go on record here and say you owe Deed an apology. I'll wager I'm not the only one who feels that way.

– Billy D Light

Agreed.

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I'm puzzled here, folks. One person here feels Yoko is the "final word" on Beatle-things, one person here feels Yoko is not. Where is the need for apology from either side?

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I don't think anybody is surprised you don't understand.

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So differences of opinions require apologies here?

OK. I apologize for feeling .010s are better strings on a Gretsch than .009s.

We now all await the apology from the person who bought a Country Club instead of a Jet.

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Let's all have a happy Sunday. It's a grey, rainy day...but nonetheless, I'm really looking forward to going into Nashville for the Country Music Hall of Fame Induction ceremony. There will be some great music, that I can guarantee!

Pics to follow in a separate thread, mañana.

Now, back to the civilized discourse we are so famous for around these parts. xx

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Let's all have a happy Sunday. It's a grey, rainy day...but nonetheless, I'm really looking forward to going into Nashville for the Country Music Hall of Fame Induction ceremony. There will be some great music, that I can guarantee!

Pics to follow in a separate thread, mañana.

Now, back to the civilized discourse we are so famous for around these parts. xx

– Deed Eddy

As always cooler heads prevail. You are, as usual a wonderful standup person who takes the high road. Your insight, history, personal knowledge, and experience in the Music Biz as well as the Hall of Fame list of personal friends and legends are one of the things that makes you a true treasure here at the GDP.

Thank you

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Could not have said it better, +1 Billy.

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I'm puzzled here, folks. One person here feels Yoko is the "final word" on Beatle-things, one person here feels Yoko is not. Where is the need for apology from either side?

– Spiritwalker

Your disagreement over Yoko's contribution is not the issue. It's your choice of words that you used to disagree that is the issue. Even during disagreements we try to keep things professional, civil and courteous on this site. Personal attacks, perceived or legitimate of any kind are highly discouraged on these here Gretsch Pages.

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I just listened to Please Please Me, Twist and Shout and Please Mister Postman right now. They all sound like valid Duo Jet tones to me. I'm still surprised about Please Mister Postman. This would have been the last Beatles song to feature the Duo Jet that I know of.

However, in William J. Dowlding's book "Beatlesongs" he lists George playing an acoustic on Love Me Do and the Gibson J-160E on P.S. I Love You. All other songs on the Please Please Me album he is credited as lead guitar without specifying a specific guitar. Dhani's list has him playing P.S. I Love You on the Duo Jet. To my ears I hear John Lennon strumming away on P.S. I Love You and hear George accenting quarter notes for most of the song. It's hard to tell which guitar it is because John's guitar is prominent but I'm going to guess it's the Gibson because the tone is similar to John's guitar.

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I'd go with Dhani's list, as he had it first hand from his Dad.

I wouldn't be too sure of Dhani's list. Just because he is George's son does not mean he is an expert on all things George/Beatles. Do you really think George told his little boy which guitar he used on every Beatle song? Beatles have 213 songs. You really think he went through every one of them with his son?

Just listen to the song "Please Please Me" and you can easily hear it is certainly not the Duo Jet doing those guitar licks. Those "Please Please Me" guitar licks sounds nothing like George's guitar licks on "I Saw Her Standing There" which is the Jet. Dhani is clearly wrong about the Duo Jet being on the song "Please Please Me." If he is wrong there, he's most likely wrong on other songs on that list.

– Spiritwalker

Well, it WAS a great thread......


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