Modern Gretsch Guitars

Streamliner 2622 Before & After

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I just can agree, that the quality is extremly top notch.I like the idea, to leave some holes between the chambers of the cb. That makes it more acoustical. The setup is extremly low and the playability superb.

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I like it with no pickguard, but if you insist on putting on on, I think a brushed aluminum would look cool. Not sure if just a flat shape is the way, or some kind of texture a la diner backsplash or 40's car design. I can see it, just hard to explain...

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Something in this kind of art deco style cut.

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Luna has been doing the moon-phase inlays for, like, 20 years.

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I have no bones to pick with the P-90 Streamliner as is, but you made it a lovely, Protean Prog-Rock machine . . . a suitable companion for another rawkin' machine.

Top job, Herr Prot!

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I love, love, love that fingerboard. Way to go, Sir.

The pick guard would be cool with the International space station or your favorite star cluster.

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Thanks Tim. Just when I thought I didn't want/need another guitar! Actually it looks great -- those mods make a nice guitar look really somethin' else. I don't think I'd even bother with a pickguard.

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I remain undecided about the knobs. I could turn them cream to match the pickups, leave them black to match the painted insert in the Bigsby - or try to paint the bottoms with cream and black in various moon-phase configurations.

when i look at the guitar and its appointments i see amber bell knobs. they're unobtrusive, and the yellow-brown tones would contextualize the pale yellowish tone of the pickup covers which otherwise clashes with the overall silver-blue-grey palette. alternately, dead white or black P-90 covers would go with the stock knobs (which are quite cool IMO though if they don't have some sort of dot or pointer to show where you are in the knob's cycle they need one).

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Looks great! Like!

I have said before that these are good modding platform guitars. My 2655T has received some good upgrades as well. One thing you may want to consider regarding the tuning issues is a Biggsfix given the angle of the strings from the Bigsby. Senojnad had told me about them. Changing the spring is a must on this model.

I like your guitar without the pick guard. It’s still on mine although it may go. The knobs are a nod to the past from what I understand. I had thought of replacing them but ended up keeping them. May change them but not a priority.

The biggest concern with mine now is the tuners. They just seem to be flimsy. More of an observation than complaint as I would not anticipate top notch tuners at this price point. Those Duesies just might be the answer here. Thanks and congrats.

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Great job, Tim. I would have liked to see more detail in the replacing of the fingerboard but the guitar looks great! Did you consider changing the P90 covers for dogears?

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Did Curt do this work for you?

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the more i think about it, the more i think black pickup covers are the answer.

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the more i think about it, the more i think black pickup covers are the answer.

– macphisto

I agree; black pickup covers with, maybe, a transparent tortoise pickguard. The cream pickup covers and solid, multiply tortoise pickguard is too much of a contrast, visually, against the light gray color.

When I replaced the stock pickups in my Casino to black, dogear Fralins, I had a hard time deciding on what pickguard would better suit things; I did not want the original stark white guard. In the end, I went with a transparent tortoise guard from Pickguardian, with vintage, ivory Dakaware knobs replacing the original gold reflector ones. It all looks understated and is not so visually jarring. Food for thought for the Moonliner.

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Tim, your creation is nothing short of MAGNIFICENT!!! I especially LOVE the fret board -- fabulous concept with lovely execution! All your other mods "come together" to yield a BEAUTIFUL instrument! Hats off to you!!

Per Baba Joe's comment a Brick's Biggsfix very likely may solve your tuning problems. It certainly did for my Broadkaster Jr.......

https://bricksbiggsfix.com/

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I think they're decals, guys.

The eleventh fret gives it away.

Still, they're nice decals, Tim. Great job!

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Tim, your Moonliner looks fantastic! I bet she's a real rocker with those P-90's. I'm very tempted to get one, I don't have a guitar with P-90's, and have always kind of wanted one.

I like the overall look of your guitar better now that you have dressed her down (and up) a bit. The gold and tort didn't really do it for me either. The fretboard is an amazing choice, I love the look of real shell over pearloid any day of the week, and the choice of moon phases was excellent.

I'm dressing up my cherry burst Les Paul in real MOP set in Rosewood. I've already replaced the truss rod cover and I have the pickguard, poker chip, and knobs on order from Thaila. The real MOP looks absolutely stunning on a cherry burst LP, I'll post pictures when I get her all dolled up.

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Oh duh, he shared the pics of stickers he ordered. Silly me. But wait there's stars too, right? And he said they're arranged in certain constellations.

Fess up, Tim. Wassup?

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Oh duh, he shared the pics of stickers he ordered. Silly me. But wait there's stars too, right? And he said they're arranged in certain constellations.

Fess up, Tim. Wassup?

– Suprdave

Hmmm, I caught that too, stickers! I believe we've seen some stickers of this sort on another thread. I think we are all wondering about the fretboard, hmmmm.

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So much commentary!

Tsarnik admits:

I’ve always thought you were a kind of lunatic. This looks great, very elegant.

Oh. Luna, moon! I get it. Took me a second. I was wondering whether the project confirmed or cast doubt on my lunatic status. And whether elegance weighed in that calcuation...

My mind is blown by the fretboard.

And yes, the fretboard! (hands-exploding-away-in-spread-fingers-from-the-temples gestures, per Dennis Hoffman in that movie)


But WB either has doubts or is properly gobsmacked:

Wait ...you put a new fingerboard on it?!?

What, you don’t believe me?


stiv-c himsez:

I wouldn’t call myself a fan of the Duesenberg arm (or anything that Duesenberg make, btw)

You don’t want to get me started on my Duesenberg rant, as my abiding disgust with Dieter’s appropriation and general abuse of the Duesenberg family brand has included my writing Denny Duesenberg (Fred and Augie’s descendant) to see if Dieter has cleared the use, paid royalties, or at least sent a Christmas card. He hasn’t.

Duesenberg guitars cannot possibly be “good enough” (at their price) to compare to the Duesenberg automobile’s status in the market. No mass-produced instrument could. Got no use for the guitars, and think most of their designs combine misunderstood art deco with gaucherie in an especially nauseous manner. And I would never own one. The marketing blather on Duesenberg's also besmirches the Duesenberg legacy.

(Note that most of my objections would go away if the guitar line carried Dieter's name. Or any other name he came up with, and did not imitatively appropriate. But I still wouldn't care for the guitars.)

However, some of the company’s hardware is well engineered, nicely designed, and superbly executed. (All attributes that do flatter the Duesenberg name, which Dieter has no right to). When the company combines enough of that hardware on a single instrument which is innovative and unique in the industry, I guess I let down my guard. I had a Fairytale lapsteel for a year or so, with the palm levers and sliding-capo “capodaster”. It looked and sounded magnificent - but I saw I didn’t have time left in my allotted span to master the palm pedaling, so I sold it.

In this case, I would not have the Duesenberg tuners had I not bought them (at a right price) from the widow of a former GDP member.

And the arm is not a Duesenberg product. It was a more generic aftermarket piece I originally had on my Epiphone Wildkat.


Sezade:

Now you'll have to play Werewolves Of London in C#. Exclusively.

OK, but why the key constriction?


Ripley suggests a wingéd art-deco-rative pickguard in brushed aluminum. And I like that suggestion. Appropriate material for the application. And while the multi-terraced guard offered as an example might have too many steps along the bottom, a simplified version might work just right.


macphiz observes:

Luna has been doing the moon-phase inlays for, like, 20 years.

You may not believe this, but the thought never entered my mind…

Further…

when i look at the guitar and its appointments i see amber bell knobs. they're unobtrusive, and the yellow-brown tones would contextualize the pale yellowish tone of the pickup covers which otherwise clashes with the overall silver-blue-grey palette. alternately, dead white or black P-90 covers would go with the stock knobs (which are quite cool IMO though if they don't have some sort of dot or pointer to show where you are in the knob's cycle they need one).

The covers look yellower (or more tartly bright) in many of the shots than they do in person. They’re just the usual generic cream P90 covers. Since I have an inexplicable soft spot for cream accents on guitars, they don’t bother me as is - thus my first instinct to redo the knobs in cream to match. Then the pups wouldn’t stand out quite so much. Basic black is never bad, but I’m afraid it would make the guitar look a little too utilitarian…even industrial.

I don’t think I’m headed to amber…though never say never, as I have some reddish-coppery trans-amberish knobs which are inherently gorgeous. (Apparently too handsome to put on any guitar, or they wouldn’t be in the Knob Box.) I’ll at least set them on the gunmetal and see what I think.


Baba Joe opines:

One thing you may want to consider regarding the tuning issues is a Biggsfix given the angle of the strings from the Bigsby. Senojnad had told me about them. Changing the spring is a must on this model.

I’m not ready to go there yet, and won’t be till a nut replacement doesn’t help. (I think the plastic nut is dampening the tone anyway. In the absence of actual moonstone, bone will be my likely choice.)

Much as I appreciate what the Biggsfix does - and the engineering effort - it just strikes me as…well, not so very handsome an addition. If there was one that mounted in place of the existing tension bar on the tailpiece, I’d be more inclined. But I can’t see myself bolting another piece of hardware to the top.

And, of course, I already changed the spring. It’s bouncy buttery now.


Donsez:

Did you consider changing the P90 covers for dogears?

Not for a second! I really like the look of soapbar mounts - wish I could mount regular Dynas that way - and I have an inviolate principle against drilling new holes in the top of a guitar unless it’s absolutely unavoidable. I’d never do it as an elective.


Thus sprachest MadScience:

The cream pickup covers and solid, multiply tortoise pickguard is too much of a contrast, visually, against the light gray color.

Well…Gretsch’s matte gunmetal metallic is a mercurial substance. Sometimes it looks light, sometimes it looks darker. And it dances deftly across silver-gray-blue domains. Under most lights, from most angles, the cream looks quite agreeable. (But I do have that thing for cream accents, which probably reminds me of the exquisite “cigarette cream” finish on some Cord 810/812 automobiles, as well as molded plastics of the 30s and 40s. I think of the dash knobs of my grandfather’s 1947 DeSoto, and catalin radios - and, yup, Dakaware.)

And, if anything, I thought the tort not only produced some cognitive dissonance - what is an organic (looking) material doing in this thoroughly metallic context? - but was dark enough not to provide enough contrast. It kinda dragged the guitar down into its own darkness.

So our aesthetic tastes differ…

When I replaced the stock pickups in my Casino to black, dogear Fralins, I had a hard time deciding on what pickguard would better suit things; I did not want the original stark white guard. In the end, I went with a transparent tortoise guard from Pickguardian, with vintage, ivory Dakaware knobs replacing the original gold reflector ones.

While I understand the chrome-cover Casino pickups aren’t well regarded sonically, I think they look great on my cherry Casino. (Because I’m also a sucker for chrome.) I took the pickguard off too - it was definitely too jarringly WHITE - but I always take Epiphone guards off, because I can’t abide the big honkin’ E. I like the letterform, I just don’t like that it’s usually expressed in a pointless chromed-plastic 3D applique. If they were actually metal…maybe. But I note that the absolute monarch of chromed logo applique - Fender, with their inimitable script, so often applied in automotive-nameplate 3D chrome on classic speaker cabs - has had the good taste not to stick it on their guitars in 3D.

A better treatment on your Casino, to my taste, would have been cream dogear covers to harmonize with the knobs…and maybe a tort guard (which is OK when we can see the body is made of another organic material) with cream binding.


And then out comes yon Otter with:

I think they're decals, guys.

And Suprdave piles on:

Oh duh, he shared the pics of stickers he ordered. Silly me. But wait there's stars too, right? And he said they're arranged in certain constellations. Fess up, Tim. Wassup?

AND, because once a pile-on starts, here’s Wade compromising his fragile skeleton to jump on:

I believe we've seen some stickers of this sort on another thread. I think we are all wondering about the fretboard, hmmmm.

OK, OK, OK. You found me out.

But it’s not “stickers” from the other thread (you’ll see those soon enough), and it’s not decals, exactly. In a way I did put a new fretboard on the guitar - if microns-thin printed vinyl can be considered a fretboard. (How does it feel? Just like any other fretboard, to me.)

But you’ve forced me to admit I did not pry off the original laurel, mill a dense mystery composite, cut fret slots, install and dress frets, inlay moons and stars, and rebind the board. Thanks to those of you who thought I might have had it in me, but I’m not that skilled a manual artist.

Still…I did give a lot of thought to the concept, and pay attention to harmonious color-matching in my selection, so I get a little credit, anyway.

And the guitar would only be a little cooler if the fretboard inlay was all real. I’m afraid it would still, for market valuation, be a Streamliner. I don’t know that such inlay artistry would ever “pay for itself” on this guitar.

As it is, I’m pleased with the overall result, and it’s cool enough for me.

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I'm sorry for outing you Tim. For what it's worth, I had to super zoom-in to find it

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Well, I wasn't going to take credit forever. Also, I'm looking at the 11th fret on the guitar itself and can't see any anomalies. Could it be a photographic artifact?

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Very cool outcome, by George! Congrats! I like the aesthetic a bunch, especially how the Bigsby handle, much like a rug that ties the room together, does bring it home.

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Twas the 14th, I miscounted. Just a small sliver of wood showing through along the treble-side binding.

Could be an artifact, and I just misconfirmed my suspicion.


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