Modern Gretsch Guitars

NAMM 2020

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A couple more Gibby's

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It also was a popular room so it was crowded in there, the guys standing around shootin' the breeze doesn't help with that

hasserl

Who would have even thunk it 30 years ago? Gretsch? Popular? Get outta town... who wants an old man guitar when we can get futuristic and pointy? Hey it was the 80's...

I think that the size and scope of the Gretsch room at NAMM is indicative of FMIC's commitment to the brand, and the Gretsch family's trust in FMIC.

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OK, how about some DeAngelico's. These guys have really increased their product line. Anybody guess whose balding head that is? (hint: I guess he's working with DeAngelico now)

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D'Angelico's profile got a big boost when Bob Weir started using them.

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Not sure anyone is interested in seeing any more, but what the hell, it's slow around here, so let's post some more pics.

Btw, that's Jeff "Skunk" Baxter in the DeAngelico room, walking in ahead of me. We did shake hands, after I realized who it was, and called him by his name.

Anyway how about some Fender stuff?

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Fender had this hand wired version of a Princeton Reverb, so I snapped a pic of it. I guess they're pretty proud of it, but IMO that's some pretty sloppy wiring, and what, not cloth covered wire? Here's a comparison to my old SF Princeton Reverb.

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Y'know...whenever I see a beat-up looking guitar now, I just assume it's a modern relic. They ain't a-foolin' me.

When you have to question the provenance and historical likelihood of every vintage-lookin' guitar you see, and owners have to make a big point about it being a GENUINE antique, doesn't it seem some of the magic evaporates? "No REALLY this is an OLD one! It's a REAL old one!"

Maybe by peddling pre-abused guitars, the industry has found a way to gradually undermine the strongest competitors to their new product - ie, the guitars they actually built 40-50-60-70 years ago.

Pretty clever.

I still think the results are somewhere between risible and ridiculous.

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Y'know...whenever I see a beat-up looking guitar now, I just assume it's a modern relic. They ain't a-foolin' me.

When you have to question the provenance and historical likelihood of every vintage-lookin' guitar you see, and owners have to make a big point about it being a GENUINE antique, doesn't it seem some of the magic evaporates? "No REALLY this is an OLD one! It's a REAL old one!"

Maybe by peddling pre-abused guitars, the industry has found a way to gradually undermine the strongest competitors to their new product - ie, the guitars they actually built 40-50-60-70 years ago.

Pretty clever.

I still think the results are somewhere between risible and ridiculous.

– Proteus

Yeah, I don't think that is an issue that anyone is going to convince anyone else about. Hot rod guys have the same issue with rat rods and fake patina. There is obviously a market out there. I tend to prefer my new guitars to look look new, but then, I bought a Joe Strummer Tele, and it's about the ugliest guitar I've ever seen. But damn, does it play nice and sound great.

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Oh, we're definitely not going to convert anyone who has an opposing point of view. I don't even try. I was just burping up the spontaneous reaction that gathered in my gut while quickly perusing the gallery of faux Fender historical fantasies.

I waxed more self-righteously dogmatic about it years ago on the GDP when we had a member with the unlikely but apparently real name of (IIRC) Brian Crusher...who worked as a relic'er, I think for Fender. He (justifiably enough) took great pride in the art of convincingly replicating the look and feel of actual old stuff which had lived productive (if rough) lives. I see the skill and artisanship, and there's a dramatic difference between randomly beat-up - and worn in ways that an artifact might naturally be.

It's every bit as much a skill - and, for those with the taste, an aesthetic worth the appreciation - as creating the lived-in and naturally imperfect sets, props, and costumes which keep us in the moments and milieux our visual entertainments create for us. Nothing prevents me from settling into a movie or TV scene like stuff that's too bright, shiny, and unused for the situation. (Well, OK, bad writing and worse acting do that as well...)

And I get that performers might want relic'ed instruments which give them a look of authenticity while they leave their "real" vintage stuff at home, either because it doesn't perform as stably and reliably or because it's too valuable to subject to the rigors and risks of the road.

Anyway, aesthetic taste. There really and truly is no objective standard, ever. There's what we like - and what we don't. All our defenses, theories, justifications, and purported standards are props we build to support what is otherwise revealed as the free-floating edifice of personal opinion it actually is.

By definition, every one of us is always right.

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Oh I don't know... A real old guitar will always have its own virtues. I like guitars to look old but not beat up - I want them to look less shiny but still "as new", if you know what I mean! Like the VOS or closet classic thing. More and more I'm finding that I don't really want squeaky clean shiny. But beat up and scratched? No way!

Anyway I saw all those pictures of Fenders and strongly feel that it's about time Fender made some Telecasters.

And as long as D'Angelico keep making guitars which look like the ones shown here I am 100% safe from buying one.

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Tim’s notion of thinking of a relic-ed guitar as a prop on a stage has me thinking. I immediately thought of those old looking Elvis style mics that people are looking for better guts so they can look like 1952 and sound modern. No one has a problem with an Americana band dressing in depression era outfits or rockabilly bands greasing up their pompadour to go with their style. I don’t think think there’s much difference between these stage affectations and a guitar made to look a certain style. Bright, shiny and new is just one look. Well used looking is also sometimes appropriate on stage.

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Hasserl -- Thank you VERY much for all your great photos!!

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Hasserl -- Thank you VERY much for all your great photos!!

– senojnad

You're welcome!

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Hasserl -- Thank you VERY much for all your great photos!!

– senojnad

Yes, thanks for your time and pics.

Great eye candy!

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Clothes! Everytime I look around a clothes shop I think it looks like everything is second hand. And ripped jeans hey? Again? Discovered by a new generation.

All the gear you need to wear along with your relic guitar.

So this must say something about where we are culturally. We want to look experienced. We've been there and back. We may have a small fortune in the bank but hey, wouldn't it be cool to buy a share croppers shack.

And why not? Who's to judge? Nothing makes me feel more like a slouching cigarette flicking hoodlum juvenile delinquent than someone saying I shouldn't do something. Or preaching to me about what's cool or uncool. Straight from the fridge, daddio!

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"So this must say something about where we are culturally."

America is over. we're on the inevitable slide from capitalism to fascist dictatorship. there's nowhere from here that doesn't go straight downhill to the invariable end of Empire. so naturally people want to look back to the lost days when power and prosperity were almost within reach of the average person. who wants to look at a future like that of East Germany or 50s Britain? better to dream of the unattainable past.

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Thanks for all the great photos. Rock!

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Yes,some great pic's here,thanks for sharing Hasserl!

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I'm waiting to hear about the USA made Epiphone Casinos. Has anyone played them at NAMM?

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Good report. We all need to thank everyone who shows us what NAMM brings.

I’m not into reliced gear. I’m not even into vintage gear. I’ll take a new guitar. Never played a record and heard the guitar was old or new. But I do like the passion people can have for old instruments.

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A USA made Casino? Oh dear, now I might have found something I want!

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In a NAMM pre-show marketing environment that has everyone pre-spilling their shiny beans (from Fender and Gibson down through the lowest-volume boutique pedalers), I'm surprised that there's not a whisper from the Gretsch guys. I doesn't know what that meanses.

(Even Tru-Arc(™) will have a NAMMnouncement to make, though I'm waiting to see if it comes true.)

I know RickyBob12String is attending the festivities, and am confident Frank the G will make the scene as well. Maybe they'll provide some color commentary for us gray faceless masses, huddled around the blue lights of our screens, wishing we wuz cool.

As I'm still feeling sated and stuffed with guitars and amps, so far my favorite pre-show reveals are the Chase Bliss Blooper fractalising time-bending surrealistic "bottomless" looper pedal (because I need more strange) - and Source Audio's oh-so-practical EQ2, the programmable, MIDI-controllable, stereo in/out 10-band graphic/parametric EQ/boost pedal which promises a true Swiss Army solution to All Yer EQ Needs.

– Proteus

Well, what’s the announcement?

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It hasn’t come true yet. Glad I didn’t make a noise about it.


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