Modern Gretsch Guitars

center block falcon (and friends)- how semi solid are they?

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spruce block runs the entire length of the guitar. i get that. but, specs state the block is chambered in parts, for weight reduction and stuff.

so, thin line guitar with a (chambered) center block. my question is how close does it get to a hollowbody sound? how close is it to a semi hollow, 335ish sound? where does it sit on that spectrum? ignoring the pickups, of course. and the ebony board and other construction differences.

the demos i've heard so far don't sound all that hollow (and that's fine), but i wonder how close it could get. always thought the guitar was pretty cool, but the specs aren't that far off from something i'd like, assuming you could hollow it up some. maybe something akin to an extremely braced hollowbody rather than a full on semi (of which i already have).

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It's very close. I have a centre block Falcon, and a 335. Due to the hotter pickups on the 335, it sounds quite different. The Falcon is much closer to a 6120 or full size Falcon.

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I have the 6112TCB-JR

It is not a 335, definitely the Gretsch sound, but extremely feedback resistant.

In terms of hollow body sound it is more like the Howard Roberts Fusion III than a 335 or 339.

That is to say some sense of the hollow sound though the amp, but you do sacrifice character vs. the innumerable 16" Gretsch hollow body guitars.

So a continuum:

Hollow carved spruce X-braced archtop: 100

Hollow spruce laminate: 85

Hollow maple ply: 77

Hollow maple ply w, sound post: 72

Hollow maple play with trestle, waffle bracing, "ML" bracing: 69.227 to 64.8

G6112TCB JR Maple ply and spruce center block: 51.525

Gibbo Howard Roberts Fusion III : 50

ES335: 40.00335

Thinline Tele: 39.9942

Tele: 34

Les Paul from the late 70's (weight similar to a neutron star) : 9

Guitar string mounted on your concrete front steps: 0

Does that help as an illustration of opinion?

Chris

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Now there is that guy that we have been missing around here. With humor clearly evident again.

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I consider the erstwhile 6122JR (waffle braced with a sound post) to be the "extremely braced hollow" as mentioned by the OP.

That was a GREAT sounding guitar with quite possibly the worst ergonomics since waterboarding.

The 6112tcb-jr is actually playable for hours sitting or standing. But a step and a half away from hollow vs, the 6122 JR.

So not a perfect axe, but maybe the best use of the JR size yet.

The 6120 JR and 6118 JR sounded really "pinky" to me. But a better player may find them really great.

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I got the 6112TCB JR from a pawn shop in LA. No, really.

Called the guy and decided we could do real business with no idiocy involved, which turned out to be a good guess on my part.

It was a good 900+ off MAP (more like $1,000, depending on how you want to look at it) but as new. Well, played once by a guy who ate raw bacon with his fingers as best I can tell. But cleaned up to Iike new.

It is arguably in contention for the "only can have one guitar" award if you play every type of music.

Oh and the Jag Tan looks perfect with copper vs. how awful it looked with the olive/gold of the 125 Anniversary. If that matters to you.

Chris

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Now there is that guy that we have been missing around here. With humor clearly evident again.

– Ric12string

Hi Ric 12.

Hope all is well with you. I stopped by around the end of the year looking for the Christmas giveaway thread which strikes me as a great way to be online with people as idiotic as myself. Found the thread and even participated.

Is Tim doing well?

He sort of owes me maybe $25, which he forgets I am sure. But having it to bug him about someday is worth far more than the 25 quatloos.

Chris

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Chris, send me your email address. I have an old one, I am sure, but I would want your current one. Mine is my screen name at yahoo.

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Yahoo? Are you 400 years old?

I likewise also have a yahoo address from maybe 1993 - And am 58, which is the new 400.

Will send.

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Actually, Yahoo Finance and Yahoo Sports are great.

So no general Yahoo insult intended.

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Methusaleh is my middle name. Don't ask me what my shortened name is.

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interesting and useful spectrum, indeed. i do wonder where a duo jet/penguin would fit in there, though. or a spectra sonic, a casino, falcon jr and 6122 variants, also. studying it further makes me wonder how low i'm willing to stray. assuming my g400 is in the mid 80s, the 6118 in the low 70s and the sheraton around 40... i'm thinking the sweet spot for me would be in the high 50s-low 60s? smaller and more focused than the annie but still reading as hollow.

the idea of a thinner hollow has always been appealing but i handle the larger ones ok. always thought of putting filters on a casino but i'd like a gretsch, dammit.

further research suggests the 6122 jr doesn't sound too bad. has some air and some snap to it. a little squished but i'm liking it. always curious about its big brothers but never considered it much. wonder how the pre/post fmic versions differ and what they specs were, especially for size, scale length and depth. and why didn't you like the ergonomics? neck heavy?

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I was somewhat joking about the numbers there. I mean, yes there is an arguable spectrum from a hollow carved spruced top to a Les Paul. But the relative differences along the way are subject to widely varied opinion.

Plus there are many wrinkles that can be added like string gauge, f holes or not, bridge mass, neck material, etc..

The 6122 JR was very neck heavy but also awkward in terms of the waist position on the body - which ironically helped a bit with the neck heaviness when sitting.

If you look at pics and note the waist position and space from the Bigsby to the bridge you can see the offset position of the guitar vs the 6112 TCB jr.

But you may love the 6122 JR.

I sold mine a good 10 years ago. But I first tried moving the strap to behind the heel - which helps far more than you might expect when standing. Then I switched to the great Grover 18:1 sta-tites (far better tuners than the 14:1 Gretsch uses on many guitars). The lighter tuners also helped.

But ultimately I just got sick of fighting with the miserable feel of the small and awkwardly shaped and balanced body.

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I do not have the 6122 JR anymore to compare. But the body shape differences, while not huge, really added up. The 6122 JR was of course deeper, but also a bit shorter.

To me it had a chunky neck heavy feel in all playing positions.

But it sounded quite good, so I would not avoid one based on my whining necessarily.

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no, i understood the facetious nature of the post- but there was some truth to the relative positioning of the guitars; at least to my mind. or i want to believe in a spectrum if nothing else. it would be super helpful. i mod all of my guitars to a large extent, but you can only do so much with bridge and pup swaps. things are more or less what they are.

then again, in context, they all sound like gretsches. they just sound different when placed next to each other.

the 6122 jr does look a little compressed to me, but all the old jrs do. the new ones don't look as squished to my eyes. they somehow work a little better, visually. then again, maybe i'm just used to the jumbo versions.

the concurrent thread on body depth is helpful, as well. why can't they make a big (but not too big), thin(ish) hollow body guitar that sounds like a gretsch? all i'm asking here. say, 16" across and 1.75-2" deep? single cut, with a couple of pickup options?

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the concurrent thread on body depth is helpful, as well. why can't they make a big (but not too big), thin(ish) hollow body guitar that sounds like a gretsch? all i'm asking here. say, 16" across and 1.75-2" deep? single cut, with a couple of pickup options?

Sounds like vintage '59 or later Clipper. Gretsch sold lots of those.

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Yahoo? Are you 400 years old?

I likewise also have a yahoo address from maybe 1993 - And am 58, which is the new 400.

Will send.

– chrisp2

Hey it could be an AOL account!

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I just got my Yahoo account when I shut down my CompuServe account. I feel so contemporary now.

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the concurrent thread on body depth is helpful, as well. why can't they make a big (but not too big), thin(ish) hollow body guitar that sounds like a gretsch? all i'm asking here. say, 16" across and 1.75-2" deep? single cut, with a couple of pickup options?

Sounds like vintage '59 or later Clipper. Gretsch sold lots of those.

– lx

interesting notion, but i was hoping to go more modern, perhaps even post fmic only. and i'd like two pickups. but yeah, its a slim line, i guess. i never really knew much about them before but i did a little digging. they seem awful bright, even with just the one pick up. i wonder if they can be modded for two, though that seems silly.


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