Anyone using a Fender Supersonic + Gretsch ?
Now that i've settled for the time being on a set of pickups i'm able to live with in my 6118JR, i'm now considering a different amp than my tweed clone. I have a Victoria 35310 - which is amazing with my teles, but is just not doing justice to the annie jr. not enough string "detail" - and a little too "woody", "dark", and midrangey - even on the "bright" channel.
I recently played through a couple of fender models - Hod Rod Deluxe III (didn't like so much), some more tweeds (Blues Jr, Blues Deluxe, Bassman, and a few others) - which suffered from some of the problems my victoria does with the gretsch.
but last night, i brought my annie jr and played through a Fender Super Sonic 22. I really liked the clean channel a lot. The drive channel is completely useless to me personally, but again - the clean/"vintage" channel was really nice with the Annie Jr (which has dearmond 2000's in it). It did not sound so great with the 60's custom shop tele i played through it, unless the "fat" switch was engaged - which made it tolerable, but still not great. It'd be nice to have an amp that sounded great with both guitars, but that might just be wishful thinking.
so - since my experience with amps has mostly been with either vintage hand wired, or boutique hand wired, i'm curious to know if anyone else has used this amp for any extended period of time, and can offer opinions on tone, reliabilty and any other general impressions.
also - i like the clean/vintage channel and the "fat switch" for single coil guitars on the SS22 - but the overdrive channel is just a bunch of stuff that i do not need and do not need to pay for. Does fender make an amp that has that deluxe circuit plus fat boost - without the overdrive stuff? I know the deluxe is about $400 more - but it has a vibrato channel, which i also do not need/want. So - i'm looking for deluxe no-vibe channel, preferably with fat boost (but not absolutely nec.), no overdrive channel needed, wherein the subtraction of said features is reflected in the cost. Probably doesn't exist does it? How about in the vintage realm ?
any help or thoughts are much appreciated. thanks
I don't play a Supersonic but the impression I get from trying it in shops is that it tries to 'be' too many amps without really succeeding. Jack of all trades, master of none, IMO.
Been trying a lot of different amps myself in search for something smaller and maybe more "tweedy" to either compliment or replace my '65 Twin RI. Had both the Deluxe RI and the Supersonic out for a couple of "trial" days. Neither had the vibe I'm looking for. I found the tone rather "small" sounding. I'm not speaking of volume here, though a certain amount of tonal weight is not present without a certain amount of reserve wattage. No, to me there isn't enough basic classic Fender character in either of these amps to warrant the hype and love they seem to get from so many.
I've also tried the Bassman RI and it remains a possibility. Still, the simple truth is that none approach the Twin for it's ability to bring out, compliment, and further the tonal characteristics and individual personality of any instrument I plug into it. BTW, I use a Tennessee Rose, a Tele Hot Rod, and a Gibson Tal Farlow.
Until I find something capable of competing tonally with the Twin, it will remain my one and only amp. The Supersonic ain't even in the running...
PM member Matthew Eddie. He loves his.
general - i DO love an old twin.... and i do feel like there are few amps that come close... that is until i have to carry it. ... or until i want to have a little bit of natural power amp distortion (i don't like attenuators), and the sound man says - turn your amp down, and it's only at "2"..... or until i have to pay for it... so the 80watts and 80 lbs and $1500+ price tag for a near-to-pre-cbs-spec version are out.
yeah - i'm in the market for a 1x12 or 2x10 35W (or thereabouts) dealie. in the $1000 price range or lower. If it's vintage, wonderful - but i don't think there is such an animal in that price range... hence the deluxe reverb, super sonic... or ??????
still looking for thoughts or suggestions.
i'll see about contacting matthew via p.m.
variantboy...I hear ya. I'll keep an eye on this thread to see what you settle on...and why. Good luck.
I found the SS22 to be a great sound in the Clean department. I tried one with my Gretsch in a shop.
I had the original 60-watt Super Sonic, and I sold it because it sucked, generally. A very rude amp.
I have had a good relationship with a 212 blues deville
the drive channel is pretty meh but the clean is nice. I bought it new and I still go back to it often and I have some bangin other gear
Had an early 60w SS combo, Loved the bassman channel, really liked the vibrolux, but couldn't get a sound i liked with the burn channel. used HS filtertrons and Tv Jones guitars through it. The bloke i sold it to Loves the burn channel though, so horses for courses it is!!
My 6120-1959LTV goes through a SuperSonic 60 watt and it sounds huge. There is a trick that I use with this amp: jumper the effects loop in the back. I leave the send and receive controls turned all the way down. The volume of the amp then becomes much more usable and I get that clean Matthew Ashman (Bow Wow Wow) tone with just a little slapback echo and a touch of reverb. I usually leave it on the 'Bassman' setting, though once in awhile the 'Vibrolux' channel gets some use.
I really, really love mine... and BTW the 'burn' channel is nearly useless. One thing I've found helps: turn the first gain stage way, way down and the second way up. I've gotten some usable tones that way, but prefer to use a treble boost or tube screamer if I need a bit more oomph.
I use a Vox AC30 cc2x...let her rip..good enough for me but I do miss some of that old style bassman Fender punch that you cant get in any new Fender amp
Well - after trying a bunch of amps - boutique stuff, fender stuff, vox stuff, orange stuff, and even after having a bit of a short love affair with the supersonic 22, i decided i just had no need for that silly overdrive channel and if i wanted a mid boost, i could buy a pedal....
and i actually went with a fender deluxe reverb reissue. Now, i've heard much bad talk about them, but the one i tried sounded killer, and i brought one home. The clones of the vintage ones are not necessarily sitting in your local amp store for you to try out, and they're usually priced somewhere between 1300 and 2000. i'm not paying that much for something without hearing it, and without a return policy.
so - i'm considering doing one of those deals where you send your chassis in and have it converted to point to point. I'm not going to do it right away, because ... really i liked the way this amp sounded - especially with my annie jr with dearmond 2000s. It's a little "barky", but i can live with that for the time being.
with that - i'm looking around for a company that does the point to point conversions that is CLOSE BY. There is VintageSound in Florida, Stu-daddy in Michigan, Fargen in Sacramento (closest so far)..
but in a perfect world, i'd like to execute this with someone that's local.
anyone know a company in the l.a. area that does that type of conversion?
in the meantime, now i have my victoria 35310, which is tele-bliss, but too dark for the annie jr, and the deluxe reverb, which is sounding good with the gretsch. it's good to have a choice!
i'm happy with my supersonic and my 5422!
variantboy -- this is not in CA, not even close (D'town Guitars, Doylestown, PA). However, it IS a PTP Fender DR done by George Alessandro -- one of the best on the planet!
D'town Guitars (Rob Martyn) Is a great dealer. I've been buying gear from him for many years and highly recommend him.