The Bass-ment

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I have heard this term before and looked up info on this form of music but to me Krautrock, as much as it sounds like a genre of music, it's pretty broad and vague to me. Any of you like Krautrock? I mean The Scorpions are from Germany but are they considered Krautrock or just Metal? Is Kraftwerk or is NEU!? These are so different than The Scorpions just say but they are from Germany.

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Well it's Krautrock. I know it's not metal and more experimental and atmospheric but seeing at The Scorpions are from Germany would they not be Krautrock in some way? I suppose they are not considered that.

I know that Don Bolles was portrayed in the Germs movie as a guy into Krautrock. I don't know if that's true or not because I only watched for entertainment but really can't stand The Germs. Krautrock seems so different than say The Germs but they show he was into it. But who cares about The Germs they suck.

Anyone into Krautrock?

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Brett, thanks for the info and the link. I do like NEU! who I think are Krautrock. They have a frightening song tho that makes me wonder about them. They were very advanced for their day. It took the UK then the US years to catch up to what NEU! and Kraftwerk (whether they were Krautrock or not) as well as others were doing.

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I am part German but really dislike Sour Kraut but Krautrock is okay.

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I like Kraftwerk, but I think I've more heard the band CAN described as Krautrock than anything.

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I always cringe a little when I hear someone say Krautrock in a "is that really okay to say?" kind of way... I guess there aren't too many people dropping the K-Bomb now-a-days though...

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"Krautrock" is a style descriptor like "acid rock," and doesn't refer only to nationality but is generally used to describe particular types of rock-based experimental music made in West Germany during the late 60s and 70s. in general, Krautrock bands aren't particularly interested in the bounds of song structure (though they can sometimes write and play incisive short songs) and tend towards long, droning improvisations that are at least as influenced by Turkish and Asian music as by Jimi Hendrix, whose influence in Germany was massive. they also typically lack a normal, mellifluous, pleasant singer, choosing instead vocalists who act more as another instrumental voice; the influence of 20th century experimental music, Kurt Weill, and/or the Jefferson Airplane are often apparent.

the best-known and most loved Krautrock band is certainly Can; it's a close argument whether they or Neu! (exclamation point obligatory) were most influential. Neu!'s 2/4 "motorik" beat, spacious atmospherics, and the howled proto-punk vocals on the third album set the stage for about 60% of post-punk; Can's endless grooves, self-orchestrations, episodic compositions (often edited down by bassist/tape editor Holger Czukay from hours-long jams), and the surreal mutter-to-a-scream vocals of mid-period vocalist Damo Suzuki prefigure post-rock and are reflected repeatedly in e.g. the Radiohead albums from Kid A forward.

other Krautrock bands that i really enjoy--i just know i'm going to forget someone important--include:

Faust. they really push the envelope in terms of leaning to the experimental side of the experimental vs. competency equation; as such, they probably reflect the influence of the Monks most of all the Krautrock groups, and have said so in the Monks documentary. not for the faint of heart.

Amon Duul II. starting out as a commune group with all and sundry plunking bongos, they split off (thus the "II") into a cross between Hawkwind, Wagner, After Bathing At Baxter's and a bomb going off. i highly recommend the Yeti album.

Ash Ra Tempel. the project of guitarist Manuel Gottsching, Ash Ra's first album is a total sonic attack project taking off from Hendrix which i've compared to sticking your head in a vacuum cleaner. LOVE IT. as the albums go by, Ash Ra becomes progressively less interesting, devolving to a New Age project. but hey, you might like that kind of thing. in the early 80s Gottsching also recorded E2/E4, a seminal piece of sequenced/processed music for guitar and synths that prefigured a lot of electronic dance music and is well worth hearing.

Popol Vuh. centered around keyboardist Florian Fricke, PV started as an early pioneer of what would later be known as ambient music; quite logically, they soon turned to soundtrack work, providing music for some of Werner Herzog's best-known films. In Den Garten Pharaoas is a lovely sonic journey.

Cluster. the duo of Dieter Moebius and Hans-Joachim Roedelius have made up Cluster since 1971; their work is instrumental, varying from long droning synth washes to cheery melodic ditties. i find both aspects of their work very enjoyable. for drony try the first album, which is sometimes called Cluster and sometimes Cluster 71; for the melodic stuff try Sowiesoso or Zuckerzeit. Cluster also recorded with Brian Eno a fair bit, both under the Eno/Moebius/Roedelius name and with Harmonia, the group M&R formed with Neu! guitarist Michael Rother when Neu! was on hiatus in 1975.

Harmonia. needless to say, the guitarist from Neu! + Cluster = two delightful albums, highly recommended.

it's arguable whether Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream are Krautrock bands. i tend to think not because they departed from "rock" so completely, though Kraftwerk's first two, seldom-heard albums were in a very typical Krautrock vein.

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the term came about in the still smarting post wwII uk....when innovative uk labels like the then small and struggling virgin records signed german space & electronica bands to record contracts and had them tour the uk

bands like early tangerine dream, faust, can, cluster, neu, ash ra tempel, klaus schulze, harmonia, popul vuh, amon duul etc

these bands in turn had a huge effect on musicians like bowie, eno, iggy, devo, sex pistols etc etc

among the brilliant guitarists that came out of the era are the great manuel gottsching, michael rother and michael karoli

a great era of music

cheers

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you can make a list of the bands of the 70s and 80s (and later!) who are considered highly influential now whose music couldn't have existed without Neu!: just to start there's Public Image Limited, Joy Division, Pere Ubu, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Brian Eno's solo albums (...Warm Jets in particular), Stereolab,...

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"they also typically lack a normal, mellifluous, pleasant singer"

mac: I've played in quite a few bands like that. :|

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Try these key works:

Tago Mago - Can On the Way to the Peak of Normal - Holger Czukay Faust 4 - Faust Autobahn - Kraftwerk Ricochet - Tangerine Dream

They'll give you taste of the range.

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for a Can album i particularly like Future Days; my favorite Neu! album is the first.

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Tangerine Dream is the largest in my pc library. It has 71 albums in it! And I Love Love Love sour kraut and corned beef on toasted dark rye bread with swiss cheese! I think I might have some german heritage in me. (my last name is Heyl)

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probably the most influential track from that era of german bands

neu-hallogallo

it was the start of style labeled "motorik" ie. driving beat music

if u don't get it, put it on next time you're driving 65+ on an open road

Link...

cheers

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Optical Race was the catalyst for my TD collection.

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I am part German but really dislike Sour Kraut but Krautrock is okay.

-- Echosonic

i agree...:D

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Amon Duul II. starting out as a commune group with all and sundry plunking bongos, they split off (thus the "II") into a cross between Hawkwind, Wagner, *After Bathing At Baxter's* and a bomb going off. i highly recommend the *Yeti* album. -- macphisto

My classic Guitar teacher Ulrich Leopold was the original Bass Player for Amon Düül II :D !#$@%

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Mac is right about the far-reaching influence of the Krautrock aesthetic. Here in NZ it got tied in with the other influences of the Flying Nun label in the early 80s to produce perhaps our most singular music,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vgzxBrNHrw

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When I lived in Germany in the mid '60's as a teenager I called one of my German friends Kraut. Man, did he get angry. Never heard the term Krautrock before.

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"Krautrock" is a style descriptor like "acid rock," and doesn't refer only to nationality but is generally used to describe particular types of rock-based experimental music made in West Germany during the late 60s and 70s. in general, Krautrock bands aren't particularly interested in the bounds of song structure (though they can sometimes write and play incisive short songs) and tend towards long, droning improvisations that are at least as influenced by Turkish and Asian music as by Jimi Hendrix, whose influence in Germany was massive. they also typically lack a normal, mellifluous, pleasant singer, choosing instead vocalists who act more as another instrumental voice; the influence of 20th century experimental music, Kurt Weill, and/or the Jefferson Airplane are often apparent.

the best-known and most loved Krautrock band is certainly Can; it's a close argument whether they or Neu! (exclamation point obligatory) were most influential. Neu!'s 2/4 "motorik" beat, spacious atmospherics, and the howled proto-punk vocals on the third album set the stage for about 60% of post-punk; Can's endless grooves, self-orchestrations, episodic compositions (often edited down by bassist/tape editor Holger Czukay from hours-long jams), and the surreal mutter-to-a-scream vocals of mid-period vocalist Damo Suzuki prefigure post-rock and are reflected repeatedly in e.g. the Radiohead albums from Kid A forward.

other Krautrock bands that i really enjoy--i just know i'm going to forget someone important--include:

Faust. they really push the envelope in terms of leaning to the experimental side of the experimental vs. competency equation; as such, they probably reflect the influence of the Monks most of all the Krautrock groups, and have said so in the Monks documentary. not for the faint of heart.

Amon Duul II. starting out as a commune group with all and sundry plunking bongos, they split off (thus the "II") into a cross between Hawkwind, Wagner, After Bathing At Baxter's and a bomb going off. i highly recommend the Yeti album.

Ash Ra Tempel. the project of guitarist Manuel Gottsching, Ash Ra's first album is a total sonic attack project taking off from Hendrix which i've compared to sticking your head in a vacuum cleaner. LOVE IT. as the albums go by, Ash Ra becomes progressively less interesting, devolving to a New Age project. but hey, you might like that kind of thing. in the early 80s Gottsching also recorded E2/E4, a seminal piece of sequenced/processed music for guitar and synths that prefigured a lot of electronic dance music and is well worth hearing.

Popol Vuh. centered around keyboardist Florian Fricke, PV started as an early pioneer of what would later be known as ambient music; quite logically, they soon turned to soundtrack work, providing music for some of Werner Herzog's best-known films. In Den Garten Pharaoas is a lovely sonic journey.

Cluster. the duo of Dieter Moebius and Hans-Joachim Roedelius have made up Cluster since 1971; their work is instrumental, varying from long droning synth washes to cheery melodic ditties. i find both aspects of their work very enjoyable. for drony try the first album, which is sometimes called Cluster and sometimes Cluster 71; for the melodic stuff try Sowiesoso or Zuckerzeit. Cluster also recorded with Brian Eno a fair bit, both under the Eno/Moebius/Roedelius name and with Harmonia, the group M&R formed with Neu! guitarist Michael Rother when Neu! was on hiatus in 1975.

Harmonia. needless to say, the guitarist from Neu! + Cluster = two delightful albums, highly recommended.

it's arguable whether Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream are Krautrock bands. i tend to think not because they departed from "rock" so completely, though Kraftwerk's first two, seldom-heard albums were in a very typical Krautrock vein.

-- macphisto

Excellent explanation! Thank you! I learned a new word as well, "mellifluous". :) I wish I had a mellifluous voice. :D


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